The Barwell Family. Ancestors of Louisa Lydia Willis née
webpage does not aim at perfection but is intended to help collect
notes about old family members, and to assist people interested in this
family to communicate and preserve their notes, photos and memories. This is one of several such
webpages full of genealogical notes.
The index is here, and fellow researchers and
relatives of these families are very welcome to contact me. I
would like to thank everyone who has helped and whose
interests have encouraged this. In particular:
Rossington's facebook group, inhabited by several fellow descendants of
this family, was started at a time when this webpage, and all the ones
split from it since, was just a section on the Willis webpage that was
"stuck". The interest that came from those discussions helped inspire
me to major breakthroughs. Louisa Lydia Barwell is now my "gateway"
ancestor, the first one since I started genealogy whose family tree can
be tracked back into the Middle Ages.
fellow Barwell researchers Lin Starke especially has been a constant
help and encouragement.
Lydia Willis née Barwell is the paternal grandmother of my great
grandmother Emily Jane Willis. This webpage is about her ancestry,
which can be taken further than any other person in my family tree so
far (as of 2014). For people who want to go straight to finding out how
far it can
be taken, you may prefer to jump to the two seperate "daughter"
have been made by me about the ancestry of Louisa's "gateway"
Wrench senior and his wife Anne
Howard. (This webpage
was getting too big.) Or, even simpler, have
a look at one single example of a royal descent for Louisa.
Lydia Barwell married John Willis on 6 Oct 1859 at Belltrees near Scone,
NSW (2903/1859). Belltrees is a large property on the upper Hunter
still belongs to the White family, who many of my family
for at various times. Louisa had arrived in Belltrees not much earlier,
3 Mar 1859 on the Hornet having
left Plymouth in 1858. In the marriage record she was described as a
nurse, who was 21 years old, apparently also working at Belltrees. We
know from records in Australia including the shipping records
themselves that she had lived in East London near
the docks. Her father Thomas was a sea faring man, and her mother was
Lydia née Lewis.
(A quick note to readers of previous versions: the photo of Louisa has been removed because it appears it is another Louisa from the extended family in New Zealand.)
Willis died relatively young in a carting accident at Uralla, 31
December 1890, and is buried in Armidale. Newspapers report the
accident happening December 1889, John being thrown from a spring
when returning from the races on Thursday 26 December. His Willis
ancestry is discussed on another
continued to live in Uralla into the 20th
century. Louisa Lydia Willis died 14 June 1923
in Armidale Hospital (6357/1923), and was buried two days later.
Although the registration mentions
the wrong father,
Samuel, such errors are certainly common on the death certificates of
elderly immigrants of this generation. As I shall show, Samuel
however a name
used in her
family. Indeed she gave this name to one of her sons. The certificate
described her sea-faring father as a "steward" by profession,
this matches a similar "error"
made on her brother George's death certificate in New Zealand,
and probably referred to a job he really had at one point,
working in the city for London University (or possibly the fact that he
was apparently a cook on board ships later in life). Louisa's
son John Willis seems to be the one who reported the
information at her death, and correctly named her mother's surname as
Lewis, along with various other details such as all her correct
children with their ages. (They are listed on the Willis webpage.)
In March 2008, I was contacted
from Melbourne concerning this webpage, by Lin
Starke, who comes from a New Zealand family of Barwells who
themselves to be related to a Louisa Barwell who'd gone to Australia
instead of New Zealand, and married a man named Willis. She descends
from Louisa's brother George, who had been a cigar maker in London.
still in London,
George married Annie Jane Lambert Moore, the daughter of a wine
dealer, Frederick Moore. The marriage happened 7 March 1858. They
came to New Zealand the following year on the Zealandia.
George became a farmer at Loburn, North Canterbury. The fact that his
wife's family was in the wine trade might turn out not to be a
coincidence, as will be explained.
Other siblings who came to New Zealand
were Samuel and Susan, who I had not been aware
of before. Susan emigrated together with George and his wife.
Samuel Barwell came out separately, but on the
same boat as his future wife, Dinah Jones, the Maori.
They married on the 27th September 1859 in the house of the Rev.
Charles Fraser in Christchurch. Samuel’s second wife Ann Davidson
died on 23 Mar 1917, and was buried at the Linwood Cemetery. Samuel
himself passed away, cause of death senile decay, on 29 Jan 1918,
his address at that time being 368 Oxford St., Christchurch. To quote
information I received from Lin:
In an interview with
the “Lyttleton Times”, 6 May 1914, Mr. Samuel Barwell
said he was born in London in 1832, and joined the British Army at
age 16 yrs, went through the Hottentot, and Kaffir Wars in 1851-2-3,
and went to Crimea and the war against Russia and Turkey. He was
involved in the “Charge of the Light Brigade”, in which,
due to the bungling by the British war strategy experts, hundreds of
British soldiers were trapped and slaughtered in the valley dominated
by entrenched opposing troops. After the initial onslaught the Turks
roamed the battlefield, bayonetting any soldier showing any signs of
life, and here Samuel survived by feigning death on the ground. His
medal for Crimea was later decorated with clasps for the Battles of
Inkerman, Balaclava and Alma. (End of Interview). He was also one of
the storming troops at Sebastapol. He also held the South African
Medal for the 1850 war. (Hisson was to lose his life in the Boer War
in South Africa, 1899-1901). At a military function in N.Z. in 1914
Samuel said to Sir Ian Hamilton, that earlier in his career he was
once “Inspected” by the Duke of Wellington, the British
soldier who defeated Napolean Bonaparte .Samuel was one of the best
shots in No.2.Coy, Cant’y Rifle Volunteers in 1861. He drilled
the first volunteers, in the Market Hall Christchurch. They used to
go into North Hagley Park with the Brunswick Rifles.
Charles Barwell (one
of his grandsons), had a soft black velvet smoking cap of Samuel's,
and also a photo of his war medals. Another photo, taken of Samuel in
1907, showed him in uniform, with the rank of Sergeant-Major, with
three medals of the Crimea campaign.
The photo reproduced here of Louisa is from
Zealand, none having survived in Australia that I know of. So it is
clear that some contact was kept between Louisa and her older brothers
and younger sister there, and her son John presumably knew of this, as
he lived in the area. This possibly explains why the death
registration for Louisa in Armidale in 1923, apparently mentions Samuel
as the father's name.
Susan was married at the same house as
her brother Samuel, to Robert Taylor, 18th February 1861. Samuel and
Dinah were witnesses. She was 20 years old and a domestic servant at
Lydia, Louisa's parents
Thomas and Lydia
married 14 Aug 1823 in St
Harriot Barwell was a witness, and the other witness seems to have
Price or Brice as a surname, but is a witness who apparently appeared
reasonably often in that register.
to the contact from Lin Starke, I learned that the New
Barwells believed Thomas to have been in the navy. We found that Thomas
Barwell, born in 1797 in Norfolk, does appear in Merchant
Navy records (not quite the navy as such). These documents can be seen
on the findmypast website. Document BT112, shows
Thomas as a cook on a voyage in 1843. BT113, Register
Ticket 344.710, shows him born Yarmouth, Norfolk 28 Feb, 1797, and
the age of 49. It was issued at London 26 June 1846. He was a seaman,
described as 5 foot 7 inches, fresh complexion, dark grey hair, blue
eyes, with a scar on his left leg. He could write. He first went to sea
"app" (I presume apprentice) in 1810, and had never served in the Royal
Navy or Foreign
Service. When unemployed he resided at Cominerval? Road. The record
seems to indicate that in 1845, 1846, and 1847, Thomas served as a cook
on 3 voyages, the first and last seem to have been longer than a year,
but in 1846 he completed a voyage between ending and starting the other
two in the same year. Records in series BT116 of 1853-57 seems to also
list Thomas as having left on at least one voyage in 1853 and
in 1856. So it appears that Thomas was a sailor as a teenager, and then
later worked as a cook in the
Concerning his occupation in the time in between, on his son
certificate in New Zealand, just as on his daughter Louisa's in
Australia, Thomas was described not as a mariner (as he is also
described in other documents involving his children) but as
a "steward". It should perhaps be noted though, that George's death
certificate got the name of George's
mother wrong, calling her Charlotte, and Louisa's got the name of
himself wrong, calling him Samuel!
children that have been traced
are as follows, and it will be seen that during the period they were
being born Thomas and his family moved deeper into the growing city,
and Thomas did indeed work as a type of steward, at London's new
Thomas Barwell. Born 17 May 1824 and baptised 22
August 1824, in St
George, Middlesex. Lin reports that he died 31 Dec
in Tower Hamlets. At his baptism, Thomas the father is called a
Mariner, and a resident of James Street.
born 1 May 1827 and baptised some years later, 21 Nov 1830, Old Church,
St Pancras, London (so not in East London, nor near any docks). It is
not known what happened to him, but a 22 year old clerk
named William Barwell sailed out of London to New York on the Northumberland in
Barwell (ancestor of Lin's NZ Barwells) was
born 10 Sep 1830, once again at St Pancras, London and baptised
together with William 21 Nov
1830, Old Church, St Pancras. He died 3 Feb 1911 in
Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand. At their baptism, their father
Thomas is referred to as a Porter at London
University, which would officially become a chartered
University in 1836.
And he was resident at
Southampton Mews, St Pancras.
Barwell was born (according to Lin) 15 October 1832 in
Whitechapel, Middlesex, and died 29
January 1918 in Christchurch NZ. He also had a family in NZ. His
military career is discussed above already.
- Mary Barwell
was born 1835.
She appears as a 6 year old in the 1841 census in Tower Hamlet. She is
probably the same as Mary Ann Barwell
who was a member of this family according to Lin, and was born about
1834, married Thomas
and died July 1912 in Islington. If so, then the 1881 census says she
was born in St Pancras (which fits).
born 29 Sep 1836, and baptised 23 Oct
1836, Trinity, St Marylebone, London. At her baptism, her father is
described as a Beadle
and a resident of 20 Cirencester Place. (This street is today simply
the northern end of Great Titchfield Street, so once again near Euston
was born 29 Apr 1838, and according to the 1851 census this
took place in the parish of St George in the East, London - so back on
in East London near the docks. But she was
baptised back in the city, 21 May 1838 at Trinity, St. Marylebone. I
believe that "Lucinda" who appears in the family in the 1841 census, is
a mis-hearing of Louisa Lydia.
Harriot Barwell was born in the 2nd quarter
of 1840 in St George in the East, London (2/89), and
died 2 Feb 1889 in Geraline, New
married Robert John Taylor.
In the 1841 census, after
the children were all born, Thomas Barwell,
45 years old, so born about 1796. He was at Marman St, The Tower
Hamlets, St George, (eclessiastical parish of St Mary's). There is also
family living with them with the surname Avard: Mary (61,
independent), Martha (30 Dry Trimmer), Sarah (30 ditto), Charlotte
(15). Everyone is born in county except Thomas. The Barwells in that
census were as
Lucinda 3 (probably our Louisa Lydia)
In 1851 Lydia is 50, and
some of the children. She is described as a Mariner's wife, and was
living in St George in the East,
"Tower Hamlet". Perhaps Thomas was at sea, but where were the other
children? Samuel may have already joined the armed forces. There
is an 18 year old in Kent with the 91st rifles. The family address was
Spencer Street. The children with Lydia were...
George 20, cigar maker, born St
scholar, born St George in the East.
In 1861 Thomas was 65, so born about 1796; born "City of
Norwich, Norfolk". He was once again a Seaman. Lydia was 61,
born Whitechapel. The children were gone by now, but the residence of
Thomas and Lydia was still
in St George in the East, 27 Spencer Street, noted
as "Spencer St North" but now with several distinct other
families living at the same address.
Thomas's death is registration 440 in 1c/305. He died 14 August 1865, a
resident of 59 Spencer St, St George in the East. He was a 68 year old
with occupation "Seaman Merchant Service". He died at home with Lydia
present, who was informant to the registering authority the next day.
appears Lydia re-married to a widower Robert Taylor, 24 July 1866 in
Stepney. Robert was described as a gentleman and a widower. Lydia
Barwell is also marked as a widow and both are simply "of full age".
Lin explained to me how
this actually resulted from a link in New Zealand. "Susan Barwell
married Robert Taylor in Christchurch. Later her widowed mother Lydia
Barwell nee Lewis living in London met up with Robert’s father now
widower and these two married." The marriage certificate gives fathers'
names, Henry Taylor for Robert, and William Lewis for
Lydia. As we will see below, this matches what we can reconstruct.
Lin notes Lydia Taylor's
death registration appearing to be April quarter 1885 in London. This
is still not confirmed.
electoral rolls name various Barwells who met the qualifications in
London during the 19th century. A Thomas Barwell appear in 1858, 1864,
and 1865, with a property at 303 Oxford St in Westminster. As this was
his house I do not think this can be our Thomas. More relevant are the
entries for Samuel, which name him at Wrights Building Salmon Lane in
1851, 1852, 1853 and 1854. He will be discussed below. A bit earlier,
but also in Tower Hamlets, there are a John and then a Charles Barwell,
both on Bethnal Green Road.
The origins of Louisa's
To start with the parent whose origins we know least well,
that of Lydia Lewis, we can find a
suitable looking baptism for a Lydia Lewis in Whitechapel, along with
siblings and a marriage for the parents, with the father's name
conveniently matching the one at Lydia's second marriage (which we
discovered much later than the baptism):
William Lewis (bachelor of the parish) and
(spinster of the parish) married 1 April 1799 St
these are some of the baptisms from this parish, where the parents were
William and Mary Lewis:
- ?Thomas Lewis was baptised 4 May 1796 St
Mary Whitechapel, Stepney (of Church Lane)
- ?George Lewis was baptised 7 Sep 1798 St
Mary Whitechapel, Stepney (of George Yard)
was baptised 25 Jul 1800 St
Mary Whitechapel, Stepney. (The register says William and Mary lived at
- Henry Lewis
20 Aug 1802 St
Mary Whitechapel, Stepney. (Again, Buckle Street)
- Richard Lewis
baptised 22 Jul 1804
St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney (Buckle Street)
- ?John Lewis was baptised 12 Apr 1807
St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney (Roadside, born Dec 21 1806)
It needs to be mentioned that there are Lewis baptisms before
after the above ones, with William and Mary as parents. Furthermore
there are many William and Mary Lewis couples in the area, although not
all married in the same parish. It is very
to be sure which are in the same family. Tracking a common surname like
Lewis in London is difficult, and we need a lead. The surnames Offley
(Lydia's apparent mother's surname) and Avard (the family living with
the Barwells in 1841) are at least unusual! Looking at these:
17 May 1807 there is a baptism for Martha
Avard, daughter of Daniel and Mary, in St Botolph Without Aldgate.
30 Apr 1809 there is a baptism
for Sarah Avard, daughter of Daniel and Mary, also in St Botolph
23 May 1813 there is a baptism for
Charlotte Avard, daughter of Daniel and Mary, also in St Botolph
So of course we look for Daniel and Mary's
marriage: Daniel Avard and Mary Moody married September 1804 in Hackney
name Mary Offley is more common than expected outside London, in the
West Midlands, but no records beckon for further inspection yet.
the other hand, the census entry for Thomas Barwell sends us to a
city, Norwich, concerning which I have received help from Norwich
researcher Gill Blanchard. The evidence will be explained
which makes it clear that these are his parents:
Marriage Licence Bonds,
Archdeaconry of Norwich,
William BARWELL of Saint Giles
Norwich Wine Cooper and John FOX of Saint Andrew in the said City
Plumber and Glazier bound £200 twelfth October 1791
BARWELL of Saint Andrew a Bachelor and Ann BARNES Spinster both of
William BARWELL and John FOX both signed. (John Fox was therefore
binding himself to a £200 bond.)
St. Andrew Parish, Norwich, 1791:
of Saint Giles in this City Batchelor and Ann BARNES
of this Parish
Spinster by Licence thirteenth
October 1791. Both signed. Witnesses:
Elizabeth FOX. Frances REEVE. John FOX. Mary BARNES.
avoid confusion and false leads, I will note that in a Familysearch
index for Catfield, I07525-5,
which is well outside Norwich itself, this marriage appears.
Familysearch now have
original scans online for the Catfield parish
banns register, parish
marriage register, and older
multi-purpose register, archdeacon's
transcripts, and bishop's
I do not find the wedding of William Barwell and Ann Barnes in any of
them so far. Familysearch does have big blocks of indexing errors, and
this appears to be one. It appears all or some of these Catfield
marriages were really in Norwich.
marriage was apparently important enough to mention in the paper. The Norfolk Chronicle
mentioned it Saturday 15 October 1791: "On Thursday last was married,
Barwell, wine merchant, of this city, to Miss Barnes, of St. Andrew's."
The announcement was also carried in the Stamford Mercury.
Note that in these announcements William is called "Mister" Barwell,
important in those times, and he was not referred to as a cooper but as
at the witnesses for leads:
- Frances could be a woman but it could also be
Francis Reeve of Ditchingham who married Mary Howes 25 Oct 1791
in Kirby Cane (the same month)? And/or he could be the one having
children with his wife Mary Coleman in Winfarthing in the 1770s, which
was near where William maybe came from. Note below how a Roger REEVES
witnessed the marriage which we think might be the father of this
and John Fox. Both of these are common names in Norfolk, but specific
Foxes can also be found in this register and others related to other
leads we have. There were for
example Foxes in the Tivetshall area, which we will discuss below.
However the best lead is that John Fox's job description is given. The
National Archives hold a PCC will PROB 11/1577/282 for John
Plumber and Glazier of Norwich , Norfolk. It was made 20 July 1812 and
16 February 1816. Unfortunately it does not mention any Barwells, but
at least we can that he was a resident of St Andrew, and that he must
correspond to the burial there of 15 Dec 1815, the record of
which mentions that he was 70, so born about 1740. His wife's
name was Mary, he had children named Elizabeth and William, and his son
and heir was another John, who was going to take over the business. So
it appears John junior's will is the Norfolk will for "Fox, John,
glazier, of Norwich" 1818 (NCC will register Eley 27), which must
equate to the next burial in St Andrew Norwich, 16 Sep 1817, where the
age was 50, so born about 1767. Probably he is the John Fox baptised in
St Andrew 1 Feb 1767, to a couple named John and Mary.
are the children of William and Ann, easily identifiable (despite the
family being mobile between parishes) because luckily even the mother's
maiden name was often being noted in the baptimal registers:
- 1792. William Barwell. (Barwole in one
transcription I've seen.) Son of William and
Barwell was born 24 August 1792 and baptised 27 August
1792, Saint Peter Mancroft,
Norwich. Buried soon after in Norwich St Andrew 19 Oct 1792, with both
parents and mother's maiden name given.
- 1793. Mary
Ann Barwell. Daughter
of William & Ann Barwell (late Ann Barnes Spinster) was born
11th, and baptised September
St. Giles. We have not traced her, but she was probably alive in 1816
when "two daughters of Ann Barwell" are mentioned in a will we shall
discuss below, of Mary Flacke of Hindolveston.
- 1796. William
& Ann Barwell (late Barnes Spinster) was born April 15th,
17th in Norwich
St. Giles. In the 1841 census there is a William BARDWELL,
50 years old in Norwich. There is also a 55 year "stone sawyer" in
Cornelius Place, St Pancras with a 45 year old Mary Barwell, both not
born in county. (I think this William was buried 1844.) But we have not
traced him convincingly, and he may
also have died young.
- 1798. Thomas Barwell
of William & Ann his Wife late Barnes Spinster Born Feb: ye
Second". So born 2nd February and baptised March
4th at Norwich
St. George Colegate (page 17 of familysearch
that the merchant navy record discussed above gives a very similar 28
birth day, but in 1797, and it places this in Yarmouth, where the two
younger children were baptised. In effect I believe those records
confirm that we have
the right one.
- 1801. Samuel
Flack Barwell, son
of William and Ann Barnes. Baptised 11 August, St Nicholas Great
Yarmouth. Samuel Flack Barwell, with the unusual middle name
clear, had his
children baptised in the same east London docklands area as Thomas and
was also a mariner. Samuel also appears in merchant marine records, in
series BT112, of the years 1835-40, he is shown as 35 years old and
having been on two voyages (before having his children in his case):
18/9/36, Carshalton Park 64/1251 and, 3/9/37,
Carshalton Park 64/3485. His wife's name was Ann Sophia Parsley
married 23 Sep 1833, Limehouse St Anne. Samuel died in Stepney in the
of 1859 (1c/302).
A will is registered for effects under 100 pounds. It says he was a
Master Mariner, who died 16 April 1859. He lived at "Wight's Buildings"
and his widow Ann Sophia was executor. Children:
- Samuel Henry Barwell, bapt. 14 Oct 1840 at Limehouse St
- Jane Argent Barwell, bapt. 4 Jan 1844 at Limehouse
- William Thomas Barwell, bapt. 11 Jan 1846 at Limehouse St
- Ann Harriet Barwell, bapt. 9 May 1847 at Limehouse St Anne.
- Sarah Ann Barwell, bapt.14 Jul 1850 at Limehouse St Anne.
- Alfred Edward Barwell, bapt.31 Aug 1851 at Limehouse St
- 1803. Harriot
born to a William and Ann (née Barns) in Norfolk, was baptised 30 Apr
St Nicholas Great
(birth 27 April). (Somewhere I have seen a database claim that this
also appears in the register of Earsdon By North Shields,
Northumberland, a far away port. I have looked for it but believe this
must have been an indexing error.)
Harriet seems to have been a witness at Thomas's marriage in 1823 in
East London. She married a few years later 11 Nov 1827, St Giles in the
Fields, to John Hadrell.
The reason we can be confident of that is by tracing her birthplace on
later censuses. In 1841 John is a victualler in Bush Lane, St Swithin.
In 1851 he is a coroners officer in St Pancras. I think Harriet's death
certificate must be the one in St Pancras 3rd qtr 1858 1b/21.
Their children (from
leaving Norwich, William appears in another record I found, as shall be
discussed in more detail below, by tracking the unusual Flack middle
name. After the death of Anne Barnes' great aunt, Eleanor Flacke,
an "admon" document was made 25 February document and one of the
guarantors of the bond was "William
Barwell of the City of Norwich Wine Cooper". Another was "Francis Smith of the said city
Smith, might eventually be important for tracing William's
life, because except for a brief period around 1800-1804 we
have no record for William Barwell as self-employed or someone eligible
to vote, and he may have been working for an older cooper such as
Francis Smith or John Barwell, who we will discuss below. 29 March
Francis Smith was taken as apprentice wine cooper by John Cock in
Norwich. 10 November 1783 this Francis took on an apprentice Henry
Nutthall in Norwich. He appears as a Cooper in Elector rolls for
Norwich St Julian in 1784, and St Stephen in 1796, 1797, 1799, 1802,
1806, 1807 and 1812. In 1817, there is clear no mention of him. (There
is only in that year a Francis Smith "gentleman" in Yarmouth.) In 1818
there is a Francis Smith, cooper, in St Stephens again. In 1830, the St
has Francis Smith junior, a wine cooper. His will is Smith, Francis,
wine cooper, of Norwich, 1832, NCC will register
There is also a burial 10 Feb 1832 for a
Francis Smith, a 78 year old widower of St Stephens, buried in St
parish. (The wills index helps us confirm that there were several
contemporary Francis Smiths in Wells, Blo Norton, and Fakenham.)
- Eliza Hadrell born about 1829 in Middlesex.
- Henry Hadrell, born about 1831 in Middlesex.
- Sarah Ann Hadrell born about 1834 in Middlesex.
- Thomas Hadrell born about 1837/8 in Middlesex
- Harriet Hadrell born about 1839 in Middlesex.
- Samuel Hadrell born about 1843 in Middlesex.
When we first find him, William
was a wine cooper by trade and a wine merchant in Norwich. Norfolk
record Y/C 19/40, 177 is a "Petition of William Barwell wine merchant
for lease of ground 50 yds square on the Denes east of that lately
granted to John Turner, with leave to enclose for the purpose of
cooperage, 1 Sep 1800 (rejected)." I can add that
the archival copy actually calls him a wine cooper. As we will see
below, William and
Anne probably inherited a bit of money around 1800, from Ann's mother's
family, and this may have played a role in decisions to take some risks.
we can also see from the baptisms, by 1801, not long after this
rejection, William and Anne moved city and
William indeed appears as a freehold owner in the next Great Yarmouth
electors, listed as a "liquor merchant". Yarmouth was effectively a
of Norwich, and a growing commercial centre in its own right. Possibly
William found Norwich with its guilds difficult to break into, but
presumably he was also getting
more involved in shipping of liquor. This was a complex undertaking no
doubt, because the main supply of popular products came by ship from
France and Spain,
which were at this time under the grip of Napoleon.
It is known that there was a lot of brandy smuggling going on in the
Yarmouth area, and I suppose we should wonder whether this was a good
or bad thing for the business of a legitimate brandy trader.
1803 notices begin appearing in the newspapers around England
concerning the bankruptcy of William Barwell of
Yarmouth, "Brandy Merchant". The official versions are in the
A Commission of Bankrupt being awarded and issued against William
Barwell, he was to surrender himself to the commissioners on the 3rd,
4th, and 24th of January, at 3:00pm, at the house of Charles Johnson
known as the Kings Head, and make a full discovery and disclosure of
his estate and effects. On the first appointment the creditors should
come and prove their debts. On the second they should choose assignees.
On the third they should assent or dissent to the certificate of
bankruptcy. No one should pay anything directly, unless the
commissioners assign it, and they should give notice to Mr Whitaker,
solicitor, Broad Court, Long Acre, London.
The commissioners of the Commission of Bankrupt dated 5th December 1803
intend to meet at 5:00pm on Thursday 20th September at the Kings Head,
in order to make a dividend of the estate and effects of William
Barwell. Any creditors who have not already proved their debts should
be there or they will be excluded from any divident and any later
claims will be disallowed.
September 1804, The commissioners change the date. It will
now be Thursday the 25th Day of October next, at Four of the Clock.
am not aware of any clear or convincing records concerning
or Ann after these in 1804, except if we count the mention of two
daughters of Ann in an 1816 will discussed below.
There is a burial record for a William Barwell in Great Yarmouth, 12
Jul 1807, but transciptions online mention parents names (but damaged),
which was usual only for children's deaths. If the transcription is of
the burial at St Nicholas at that date then the scan on familysearch
shows that the surname is Barnell, and it was a 2 year old boy.
history of Methodism in the town and neighbourhood of Great Yarmouth,
published in 1826 by Abraham Watmough,
writes about "Mr Barwell, now living at Gorleston", who he says was a
"local preacher" who had been a sergeant in the
Cambridgeshire militia. Was he local in the sense of coming from the
area originally, rather than Cambridgeshire? The book at least
sometimes seems to use the term "local preacher" to mean resident in
contrast with travelling ones, which were important to the way
methodist "circuits" worked. This Mr Barwell is listed as such a "local
preacher" for 1823, and as leader of the Gorleston circuit in 1824.
I have to say, on the other hand, that coming from a family with a
strong connection to the liquor business in a smuggling town seems an
interesting start to a methodist lay preaching role. I have my doubts
about this lead. Another thing that does not score in its favour is
that another account
of the same man, by Charles
John Palmer, says that this militia were in Yarmouth in 1801.
William could not have been a serjeant then, as he was still in
case, Great Yarmouth was a suitable place for our Thomas and his
brother Samuel to become sailors, but we know that by 1823, the only
family members we have traced so far had started to appear in East
London, which possibly indicates that the whole family had moved.
Indeed we know from his Merchant Navy records that Thomas was working
on a boat in 1810, at the age of about 12.
area of investigation for trying to track the Barwells after 1804 is to
try to find more relatives. I have found Ann's family, and there is one
more great aunt not accounted for yet, who must have died after 1816,
Anne, who appears to have married three times. She will be discussed
Things apparently did not all work out as well
for William as they did for his contemporary in the Norwich wine and
spirits trade, who happened to have the same surname: John Barwell...
Who were the Barwells?
It has been very difficult to get any conclusive
proof about the origins of William. On the other hand, it
like we are close for many years. The Barwell surname (unlike Barnes,
Flack) is actually not common in Norfolk, at least not with this
spelling, and that helps. An hypothesis with obvious
was developed with the help of Gill Blanchard in 2006 already, and this
is what will be explained in its most recent form in this
happens, during this exact period a Barwell family became increasingly
involved in the wine trade in Norwich. They became quite
wealthy in the 1800s. A version of the firm they ran, having originally
partnership under a
family named Suffield in St Giles Street, still exists under
name Hayman Jones
It is fairly easy to find more information about the later
generations of this family on the internet. On this webpage we shall
focus upon their probable common ancestry with my Barwell
family, because by looking at all the Barwells of Norfolk we can hope
to eliminate some options, and home in on others.
Some years after the bankruptcy of William Barwell in 1803, in 19
an Archdeaconry of Norwich (ANW) will was made by John Barwell, a
merchant in Norwich. He was about a generation older than
our William. It was executed in 1808, after this John Barwell died
in 1807. (There is also an abstract in Kew IR 26/394/225 which wrongly
calls him Jonathan.) He
a trust which, if he had no child who lived to 21, should be divided in
three and given to "so many of the Children of my late deceased Brother William
Barwell as shall be living at the time of my death", "so
many of the Children of my late
deceased Brother Joseph Barwell as shall be living at the
Time of my decease" and "so many of the Children of my Brother Robert Barwell
as shall be living at the time of my decease". There
implication that John thinks all three brothers are at least likely to
have children. Note also that only Robertmust still be alive in 1806.
John is the same one who appears in numerous
newpaper mentions starting in the 1780s. In some of the first records
we find of him John is referred to as a wine cooper of
Norwich, the same trade as William Barwell. As a wine cooper he took on
an apprentice named Miles Cole in 23 Jan 1776, and also as a wine
cooper he married Hannah Wright in 1768.
In the 1784 Baileys
British Directory, he is at Wymer Street, Norwich, as "cooper,
wood/furniture/carriage trades(m), wine". In 1786, 1787, and 1790 lists
of people eligible to vote, John Barwell is in St Peter Hungate,
Norwich, and a Wine Cooper. The 1786 and 1787 lists also
he is a freeholder, and the 1787 list has him listed under St Peter
Hungate but with "St Step.", so maybe his residence was in St Stephen?
In 1794, 1796, 1799, 1802, and 1806, John Barwell is wine merchant, and
freeholder in St Stephen Norwich.
John Barwell's third wife Harriot,
mentioned in the will, is Harriot Sedley. And his son also named
John went on to marry Louisa
Mary Bacon, an author and educationalist, who wrote about
childrens' and musical themes, including a version of "Tom Thumb",
the The Novel Adventures
of Tom Thumb the Great,
Gill also found the
following citation, by the great Norwich historian Walter Rye, which
has been a helpful lead over the years:
Norfolk Families, 1913 – Barwell
descended from the family of BARDWELL or BEARDWELL of West Harling;
who bore Gu. a goat salient arg. attired or. but no evidence has ever
been adduced of the descent.
BARDWELL, grocer and John BARDWELL, cook, probably father and son,
were admitted to the freedom of Norwich, 8 and 26 Elizabeth.[approx 1566 and 1584]
BARWELL, s of William BARWELL of Tivetshall, and grandson of another
William BARWELL of the same place, buried there 1737;
was b about
1741, was of Norwich and Fundenhall.
1786 he voted as a wine cooper in St. Peter Hungate, and 1791 was a
Roman Catholic wine merchant there. By his third wife Harriet, d of
John Somner SEDLEY of Morley, Norfolk (by female descent from John
SEDLEY, Esq., of Barford and Morley, High
Sheriff, 1657-8) he had a
BARWELL (Sheriff in 1839) who by Louise (d. of Richard
BACON, printer, newspaper proprietor. and author. who d.
been the author of many children’s books) had a large family
BARWELL, wine merchant (now living), and Miss BARWELL of Surrey
Street, Norwich, and a brother, an artist
used are those of
BARDWELL – Gu. a goat salient arg. attired or.
Lieut.-Colenel HARVEY’S recently published book on “Norfolk
Deer Hunting” (p. 17) a reference is made to a Thomas BARDWELL,
an artist, who painted the Woodton Hunt, and is supposed to have been
a connection of Thomas BARDWELL, the butler at Woodton, who died
there in 1719 aged 96.
save difficulties for those who attempt to talk about these places to
anyone from Norfolk, I should mention that places in Norwich often have
non-obvious pronunciations. It is fairly well-known that Norwich is as
but also Tivetshall can apparently sometimes be as if Titsal, and
Tacolneston is as if Tackleston.
I am not yet sure about Fundenhall!)
that at least some members of John Barwell's family were Catholic,
something which was unusual
native-born English families at the time. But there were some
well-known exceptions in Norfolk such as the Howards, Bedingfelds and
Jerminghams. Having less famous Catholics in the family tree can bring
difficulties to researchers, depending upon whether they had their
baptised in the Church of England or not. Nevertheless, a family tree
seems possible to reconstruct with reasonable confidence, for this
family described by Rye, adding in extra evidence from primary sources
such as parish registers, newspapers, and wills.
Blanchard found some useful references to Catholic Barwells in
work by Frank Devaney, late honorary archivist for the Roman Catholic
Church in Norfolk, who published a book called The Faithful Few: A History of
Norfolk Roman Catholics 1559-1778,
of which there is a copy in the Norfolk Records Office. I will mention
it where relevant below, but the most interesting information comes
from reports to the House of Lords about Catholics, which was made in
is a proposed draft tree. It shows how I think that our William was
probably John's nephew. But the aim of this summary is not to claim
that it is proven, but to stand as notes for the work ahead...
start, according to Rye, quoted above, we can name a William Barwell
who was buried 1737 in
Tivetshall, and indeed there is such an
entry in the Tivetshall register. The Boyds marriage index suggests to
us that he married to Anne Asten
in 1702 in Pulham St Mary. It is possible that this is the same William
and Anne, where William was a worsted weaver, who had two
daughters baptised in nearby Wacton, as showing on FreeREG: Elizabeth
baptised 19 Jun 1706, and Susanna
1 Aug 1703. (Note. I have been able
to see the scans of the register and I do not see any mention of
profession, but for Norfolk there were commonly 3 sets of register
records, which often differ in details.) I will note below that we have
evidence that there was another sister named Battina, who married
in 1734 in or near Bury St Edmund.
can add from Devaney's reports of 1767 information on papists that
there was William Barwell, farmer, who was a 52 year old farmer (so
born about 1715) living in St Ethelred parish in Norwich, along with
his 23 year old son named Robert (so born about 1744), also a farmer.
Our William also had a son named Robert. It must be said that
he must have been older than 23 in 1767, and William would have been
older than 52, but every age I can cross check seems consistently
inaccurate and on the young side.
married in Pulham St. Mary the Virgin in 1730. (This was also
discovered with the Boyds Marriage
Index. The parish register has BARSWELL according to the transcription
on the FreeREG website.) Mary is possibly the 70 year old widow buried
St Giles 28 Feb 1773, which means she would have been born about 1703.
for a burial for William who married Mary Gibson, there is one recorded
in Tacolneston, 19 Aug 1746, but his surname was spelled Bardwell with
a "d" and he was referred to as "junior". I am tempted to think this is
another family, perhaps distantly related. There are several Bardwell
burials in that register in that year, all with a "d" and not
apparently fitting in this tree.
Notes for further study
about the origins of this family:
- A document at Kew, C 11/2184/4 "Barwell v
Hempson", of 1737, is a lead to the ancestry of Mary Gibson, and
possibly of the Barwells. It concerns a case brought by "William Barwell, yeoman
of Pullham, Norfolk and Mary Barwell his wife
and Sarah Gibson,
spinster of Finborough, Suffolk (said oratrixes are executrixes of
widow deceased late of Stowmarket, Suffolk)." The
defendants are Robert Hempson and Hugh Gibson. According to E
134/11Geo2/Mich9 and C 11/1986/19 Robert Hempson
had lands in Haughley, also at Stowmarket. He appears to have
problems, with other claims being recorded against him such as C
11/1539/21 and C 11/2296/89. Amongst Staffordshire records, see D641/4/K/6/1
He was also apparently
Sherriff of Suffolk in 1725.
- I found the will in Norfolk: Thurrold,
Elizabeth, widow, of Stowmarket, Suffolk 1737 NCC
register Claxton 18.
(There are many variants of her surname,
Terold, Thorrald etc., and they seem to be go a long way back
the region of Eye and Wortham, just over the county border from
Pulham.) Apart from the two executrixes named above in Pulham and
Finborough, both described as neices, two cousins are named, Elizabeth
Clopham, and Charles
Gibson, her late brother William Baldwin (who
had children), and another brother Hugh
The will had been made in 1732. It was proved 29
April 1737. So Elizabeth was apparently a Baldwin or a Gibson.
(Presumably her mother remarried in order to have male children with
two surnames. Another option is that the word brother is being used for
a brother in law. There was by the way a marriage between a Robert
Baldwin and an Elizabeth Gibson in Stoke Ash in 1696 according to the
Boyds index.) Likely she is the Elizabeth Baldwin who married Edmund Thorold in Palgrave in 1720 according to the Boyds index. Edmund might be the one with the will: Thorold, Edmund, yeoman, of Thrandeston, Suffolk 1725 NCC will register Gregson 334.
- Further confirmation of a Gibson
family from just to the south in Suffolk having
an interest in the area of Pulham and Tivetshall, comes from a title
deed kept in the Petre Collection in Norfolk. PET 253, 97X5 is a final
concord showing that in 1696 Charles
Gibson, clerk, and others were
buying 8 messuages and land in Burston, Gissing, Shimplinge, Tivetshall
St Margaret, Tivetshall St Mary, Disse, Winfarthing, Westwick, Sloley,
Tunstead, Worstead, and Skottow. In various documents we can see that
Charles Gibson was rector of Thorndon and vicar of Mendlesham. In a
clearly connected document from 1695 the previous year, PET 705,
261X1, it appears that the selling group led by John
Wingfield were united by their being heirs and executors to two
deceased widows, Mary Church of Stratton next Buxton, and Elizabeth
Thrower of Wilby. Thrower wills are concentrated around the
of Eye and Thornham. Again we can find the wills
needed in Norfolk: Thrower,
widow, of Wilby, Suffolk
will register Jones 12; Church, Mary, of Stratton
1687 ANW, will register,
1687-1688, fo. 47.
- Again looking at wills, the Gibsons of the
area seem to concentrate around Haughley, and they used the name
Barnabas a few times (Suffolk wills: 1635 R2/56/451; W1/91/15 and 1664
A5/5/62; also several PCC wills). A Barnabas
Gibson of Little Stoneham is associated with Charles the
cleric in Norfolk document NRS 11911, 27A2.
- Maybe relevant: it appears
an Elizabeth Gibson from Stowmarket married a George King just a few
years earlier, 25 July 1726, in the Tivetshall parish of St
can also be noted that more Barwells were in the area, potentially
children of the earlier William mentioned by Rye (buried 1737). In a
similar period, Ann Barwell married Richard Smith, 24 Jun 1735 in
Pulham St Mary, and Elizabeth Barwell married Stephen Brown, 11 Feb
1740/41, in Tivetshall St Mary. Going back to the 1600s though, they do
not appear in the 1664
list, and running through the parish register, which does not have so
many surnames, neither the Barwells nor the Gibsons appear to
be common. I suspect origins for both in Suffolk.
The first few children were baptised in Pulham St Mary the Virgin, and
then the baptisms
move to Tivetshall St Mary. We have not only Rye's authority to compare
to the registers, we also know the names of four brothers from
wills of John Barwell. What's more, in the The Norfolk Chroniclein
1783, several articles mention the sale of a large estate
the Parishes of Dicklseburgh, Tivetshall, and Pulham, in Norfolk, In
the Occupation of William Barwell, Tenant at Will". So Pulham and
Tivetshall were linked by one big estate, and a William Barwell was
occupying it. It is not clear whether William stayed on that
estate after 1783. In any case a new Mr Barwell, farmer,
was working as a farmer in Pulham much later on the
6 March 1819,
when a cow of his had healthy triplets. It is perhaps surprising
though, that before John, these yeoman Barwells do not appear on any
lists of freeholders
with voting rights in the 1700s.
1. 6 Jan 1731/32 William Barwell
baptised at Pulham St. Mary, with parents William and Mary.
should note a burial 1737 Wm Barwell buried Augst 12th, but
register does not mention that it was a child, and as mentioned above
Walter Rye seemed to believe this
was the grandfather of the Barwells being born by this time. The
evidence, apart from the
baptism, for there being a child named William in the family includes:
deceased brother named William who had children is mentioned in the
John Barwell, described above, along with other brothers Robert and
(for whom, see below).
- The above baptism roughly matches the age of death reported
1 December 1792 in the Norfolk
Chronicle: "On Tuesday last died, in the 58th
year of his age, Mr. William Barwell, farmer, Tacolnestone, this
county." The burial is on FreeREG, 3 Dec 1792 at Talcolneston All
Saints, which also specifies the "Mister". This implies a birth about
1734. We know from other reports in the Norfolk Chronicle
that in 1792, before the death of William Barwell of Talcolnestone,
John Barwell was looking to sell a very large estate in Talcolnestone
and Wymondham. John was apparently himself living in Talcolnestone Hall
Farm at the time.
(Also note Rye above who associates John with nearby
William and John were apparently living in the same village.
the below marriage, Familysearch (but not FreeREG) gives ages and
implies a birth year of 1734 for William Barwell, who was living in
Tivetshall in 1757.
marriage record refers to William Barwell as "junior" implying that he
is the son of another older William in the area. So even without the
age being mentioned, this does not appear to be older William
gives us good evidence that the William Barwell who was in Tivetshall
in 1757 was a Catholic. He says that in 1767 there was one Catholic in
Tivetshall, William Barwell, a farmer, aged 30 and resident there for
seven years. I suspect the ages given in that 1767 listing are
very accurate, but the implied birth year of 1737 is not so far off.
8 Nov 1757 William
Barwell "junior", married Ann Savill,
in Tivetshall. They were both of the parish. (Familysearch has "Anne",
has "Ann". Familysearch, but not FreeREG gives ages as 23 and 22,
implying birth years of 1734 and 1735.) The
witnesses were Edward Howes and Roger Reeves. As
discussed above, this William died in 1792 and was described in the
at that time as a farmer. Ann is possibly the 60 year old
widow buried at Norwich St Giles, 25 Jul 1797. This means she would
have been born about 1737. There are some
Savell wills, it seems, just over the Suffolk border in Oakley.
witnesses for leads:
Note that one of the witnesses at the marriage in 1791 of our
William Barwell and Ann Barnes was
Frances Reeve, while at this marriage in 1757 there is a
Roger Reeves. This Roger appears in several Tivetshall marriages as a
witness in this time. But also a man of the same name appears in
Swannington marriages, including one 3 Jan 1761 where a Tabitha Reeves
marries a Martin Fox. The 1791 marriage also had two Fox witnesses.
1. 1 Feb 1759 Ann Barwell
baptised in St Ethreled Norwich. Note from above that we know that a
Catholic William Barwell and his son Robert Barwell were farming in
this parish in 1767. I think that this William and Robert might be the
father and brother of the William who married in Tivetshall in 1757. So
this gives that William a reason to be in St Ethelred but it also opens
up the possibility that this baby was a late child of William senior.
the burial for an infant named Ann Barwell, 13th March 1759, in Norwich
St Giles. The close dates make it very likely that Ann died as a baby.
2. 12 Jun 1760 William Barwell
baptised at Tivetshall, with parents William and Anne. This
an only child, unless of course the family was not always using the
Church of England for baptisms.
have no perfect proof yet, but this man matches perfectly with our
ancestor who married Ann Barnes, and as far as I know we have no other
proposal for what happened to this William. Note the evidence includes
William and John, his apparent uncle, were wine coopers, and wine
merchants, in the same
town, with the same reasonably uncommon surname spelling. Both are also
referred to in the Norfolk newspaper with a "Mister".
2. 23 Aug 1734 Robert Barwell was baptised
at Pulham St. Mary, with parents William and Mary.
that the will of John in 1808 mentions a brother named Robert, who was
apparently not yet deceased. Robert
is a witness to two marriages in Norwich in 1767. Links to the others,
and evidence of Robert's children, come from Catholic registers. (Gill
Blanchard checked the indexed transcript to the Norwich Roman Catholic
records at the Norfolk Record Office, which covers baptisms from 1758
to 1823.) The old hand-written death duty registers on findmypast show
a will for Robert Barwell in 1809, Shipdham
Norfolk, but NRO say the surname is BarNwell.
that as explained above, Devaney's listing of 1767 papists mentions
that there was a Robert of about the right age, with a father of the
right name. They were farming in St Ethelreda.
15 Sep 1766 Robert Barwell married Sarah Pain in Carrow, Norwich. (This
marriage was not in a Catholic church, but see the children below.)
(Note the god-parents.) These come from Catholic records
found by Gill Blanchard.
- 11 July 1768. I baptized Sophia, the child of
Robert and Sarah Barwell. Godfather – Joseph Barwell; godmother –
- 13 February 1773. I baptized an infant by the name of Mary Ann, daughter
of Robert Barwell and Sara, his wife. Sponsors – John Barwell, Hannah
3. 18 Sep 1737
baptised at Tivetshall, with parents William and Mary.
married Charles Wicks in Carrow, Norwich, 27 Oct 1754, or maybe died
single in Norwich St Giles, 12 Apr 1763, 26 years old.
4. 31 Jan 1738/39
baptised at Tivetshall, with parents William and
Note burial in Tivetshall:
13 May 1739: John
Son of Wm Barwell.
5. 23 Mar 1739/40
baptised at Tivetshall, with parents William and Mary.
Note burial in Tivetshall:
27 Apr 1742:
Barwell an Infant.
6. 2 Feb 1741/42
baptised at Tivetshall, with parents William and Mary.
is John Barwell with the will proved in 1808, who was 65 at death in
1807, and had brothers named William, Joseph and Robert, perfectly
matching the boys baptised in Pulham and Tivesthall. The first
record I know of his career so far is when, as
cooper, he took on an apprentice named Miles Cole in 23 Jan 1776, but
he was already a wine cooper for the first marriage in 1768.
1. 11 Jan 1768 John Barwell of
Norwich St Lawrence married Hannah
in the Norwich church of St Gregory (tr), by license. The license is on
pages 404 and 405 of the familysearch
and mentions that John is a "wine cooper", and bride and groom are both
25. John Wright, gentleman, was the other signatory for the bond.
Witnesses at the marriage itself were
many for some reason and include Frances Clover, Mary Wright, Joseph Barwell,
Richard Pye, Sarah Clover, and Mary Barnes.
The original scan can be read on page 35 here.
Note that it is promising to have a Barnes mentioned, given that we
are proposing that John's nephew married an Ann Barnes. (For what its
worth, my impression is that there was another Barnes family based in
parish of St Gregory, who were close to the Wrights and Clovers.) Also
note that Hannah Wright the bride, once she became Hannah Barwell, may
well be the one mentioned above as a
witness to some
catholic baptisms of the children of Robert Barwell.
Children and burial of
can only find burials for the children, both named William
and marked as sons of John. One is 15 May 1768, the other 17
Both are in the same "St Gregory Tr" register as the marriage. A few
days after the second burial, comes the burial of the mother, Hannah,
22 Sep 1773, 38 years old, in the Norwich St Giles register.
2. John married Mary Rose,
daughter of William Rose, surgeon of Boxford, Suffolk. There is a
marriage contract dated 29 Oct 1781. The marriage also apparently
happened the next day, in St Saviours in Norwich. The normal parish
register is here
see page 43. It was in the presence of Mary Swann, Margt Punchard, and
and burial of Mary.
There was a daughter Mary baptised Norwich St Andrew,
27 Oct 1783, then a son John buried 12 May 1785 at the same church.
Then a few days after the death of baby John, the mother again passed
away, 22 May 1785, buried at the same church, 39 years old. Sadly, as
the Norfolk Chronicle
Saturday 1 February 1794, "Yesterday se'nnight died, at Tacolneston,
the 10th year of her life, Miss Barwell, the only child of John
Barwell, wine-merchant, of this city". The burial was again in St
Andrew Norwich, 12 May 1785. Saturday 21 May 1785, the Ipswich Journal
reported that “Thursday died in child-bed, Mrs. Barwell, wife of Mr.
Barwell in St. Andrew's.”
3. John married Harriot
of Ketteringham, 4 Mar 1794 at Norwich St Stephen. According to the
she was a "a daughter of John Samuel SEDLEY, of
Barford and Morley, a lineal descendant of Sir
Charles SEDLEY, the wit
and poet". This is the wife who
survived him and was mentioned in his will and the newspapers after his
death. She was buried 13 Jan 1851 at St Stephens Norwich, having lived
to the age of 84. Apparently her Ketteringham contacts included the
Sewell family, of Black
fame, one of whom was a lawyer who helped after her
husband passed away, and until his son John was old enough to
fully. The witnesses to this wedding were James Rump and once again
at witnesses: we can see that Punchard is close to John Barwell, not
only because he witnessed two marriages, but also in the naming of a
child. Looking into this further, we find that in the 1798 will of
Punchard, Upholster of Norwich John is not only close to him,
but a "cousin". I have found online
that Punchard genealogists believe Robert's mother Battina to have had
the maiden name of Barwell, and not Bugg as appears in visitations
This could well be correct, because the marriage licenses say she is a
widow, though only 21. The visitation says she was buried in Ipswich St
Lawrence at age 77 in 1783. (She is not the same generation as John
Barwell.) Robert's age of 58 at burial in 1798 certainly
seems to match the Suffolk Robert. Margaret Punchard on the other hand
must be Robert's wife, who he
apparently married in her parish of Hindolveston 26 Dec 1774, her
maiden name being Willis. She apparently died in 1791 at 34. Both
Robert and Margaret were buried in St Peter Hungate. Battina would be
another Barwell connection to Suffolk as she married in Westley and
James Rump on the other
hand, appears to have been a grocer in Catton (just outside
Punchard Barwell. Born 19 July 1795, baptised 2 March
1796, buried age 4, 18 July 1799, both at Norwich St Stephens.
- John Barwell.
Born 18 October 1798, baptised 28 October at St Stephens. John took
over the business and married Louise Mary Bacon,
4 May 1824, daughter of Richard
Bacon. It is this John Barwell who finally managed to carry
on the family business. But he also became a sherriff of Norfolk in
1839, and was notable for his promotion of the fine arts in Norwich.
paintings are still shown. He died 27 Feb 1876.
All baptisms in this next generation were Norwich, and from here it is
easy to find many records of the family, so I keep it simple:
- John Barwell
(the third in a row). 30 May 1825, who continued with the successful
wine business. Sherriff of Norwich in 1893.
Barwell. 15 Oct 1826
- Edward Barwell.
27 Jan 1828
- Henry George
1 Mar 1829, who worked in the construction of railways in England and
Denmark, and entered the wine business in 1856. A founder of
Norwich Art Circle, known for his
watercolours and sketches.
Bacon Barwell, an artist whose works
are still respected. 3 Oct 1830
- Louisa Mary
Barwell. 26 May 1833
7. 7 Feb 1743/44
was the last of the baptisms at Tivetshall, with parents William and
must be the brother mentioned in the will of John proved in
as deceased. He was apparently a witness at his brother John's first
marriage in 1768. There
is a baptism in Tivetshall 25 Dec 1782, for a Catherine Ford Barwell,
daughter to Joseph and Elizabeth, but otherwise a lack of leads.
This last baptism in Tivetshall is not yet accounted for, and it may
involve a scribal error concerning the parents:
Son of William BARWELL &
Mary(?) his Wife Jan.
28th., Tivetshall. Apparently the Bishop's transcript says the parents
were William and Sarah, and I can at least confirm that the
Archdeacon's version does, because it is scanned online at
Familysearch. I guess Sarah might be correct, because there is also a
baptism at Tacolneston 1739: Elizabeth daughter of William and SARAH
BarDwell baptised Nov 28, (and buried as an infant Dec 2).
were these parents? In any case, I
think this Thomas married 22 Mar 1788 to Mary Margarett Facey,
late of Jamaica.
Transcriptions mention an age of 21 for him and his bride, which I
understand to mean "above 21" and he was from Tivetshall but the
wedding happened in nearby
Dickleburgh. Thomas possibly re-married as a widower in 1796, to
Margaret Butterfunt of Great Yarmouth.
that Bardwell (with a "d") was a reasonably common surname, whereas
both our family, and the above family, consistently use no "d".
The best guess,
to make it clear, is that our William, the
father of Thomas and husband of Anne Barnes, was a nephew
of the wealthy John whose will was proved 1808, a son of John's brother
William (husband of Ann Savill), with both
John and William being the sons of another William (husband of Mary
Gibson), who was in turn the son of yet another William (buried 1737,
probably married to Ann Asten).
William, the husband of Anne Barnes and the father of Thomas Barwell,
the fourth William Barwell in a row.
think it is acceptable to suggest that in this case our Louisa Lydia
Barwell, baptised 1838, may
have been named after her well-known relative (by marriage) Louisa Mary
Barwell, née Bacon, who married John Barwell some years earlier in
1824. Similarly, her
aunt Harriot Barwell, baptised 1803, was possibly named after
Harriot Sedley, who had entered the family a few years before her
baptism in 1794. I will show below that William and Anne did use
names from relatives, at least in the case of Samuel Flack
Barwell, who is named after an important ancestor of Anne.
A final comment about the
Despite the consistent preference this family had for the spelling
"Barwell", the Walter Rye quote above indicates a claimed connection
to Bardwell. Rye would have known the Barwells
Bardwell with a "d" is a place
in Suffolk, near the Norfolk border, and right in the region where we
find this family. It is the source of a surname, with various
spellings, which had been held by an old aristocratic family from
the region, whose main residence at one point was Bardwell
Harling in Norfolk. So, whether or not there is any close connection to
Bardwells, at the very least I see no reason to propose a link to
similarly named places (and families) in the midlands, such as
Leicestershire, which were more consistently spelled without the "d".
Barnes of Briston and
is one of the most common names in Norfolk, it seems, but there is also
a lead in his case, and it lead successfully to discovery of Ann
Barnes' family. To remind, Ann Barnes married
William Barwell in 1791, when she was specifically a resident of St
Andrews, Norwich. Ann and Barnes are very common names, but one of
their children had a relatively unusual middle name, which looks like a
preserved maternal surname: Samuel Flack
Barwell. Looking for
Barnes-Flack marriages, there was one in Norfolk, and there was a
daughter Ann. It was not in Norwich, but the family does seem to have
moved there for some period, and apparently owned
Barnes married Dorothy Flacke
15 January 1756 in Briningham, Norfolk (by licence). He was
described as a tanner and witnesses were John Woodcock and Henry
B..kett. Their children's baptisms
show that the family lived in neighbouring Briston, but then
moved between 1765 and 1767. In the 1768 poll for
knights of the shire, in Briston, free holders included John, William
and Benjamin Barnes. They resided in Plumstead, Norwich and
respectively, so although Benjamin was baptising children around
Narborough (which is near Marham) by that time, his family may have
also already had
a connection to Norwich. I believe John and William were his
brother. In any case, a bit later in life it seems Benjamin had a son
baptised in Norwich himself. Following are the baptisms identified so
far, for children who lived long enough to be named. Many did not make
it to adulthood.
mention of Gaywood in the censuses definitely make sense when we see
that there is an admon dated 20 September 1777 for Benjamin Barnes in
The Archdeacons transcription is not damaged on the relevant page (page
and confirms his burial 9 September 1777. What's more, there was
apparently one more infant who was born after him and died, buried
without a name on the 5th of April 1778. Following this lead, the admon
confirmed that the
relict of this Benjamin, who would be administering his estate, was
Dorothy Barnes. Also signing with her as co-guarantor for this
responsibility was Thomas Wise of Kings Lynn St Margaret, currier. A
currier works with leather, and is a trade related to the trade which
Benjamin Barnes seems to have had at marriage at least, of tanner.
- Beniamen Barnes, was born 31 Jan 1757, baptised 1
Feb 1757 at Briston. The baptism mentions the parents being Beniamen
and Dorathey. There are two burials a year apart, so maybe there was a
second infant who died, although these burials give no details except
name and date, 8 Feb 1758, and 26 Feb 1757.
- Benjamin Barnes,
was born 14 September, baptised 15 Sept at Briston and 16 Sept 1759 at
Briningham, Norfolk (where it was noted that the parents resided at
- Dorothy Barns,was born and baptised 17 September 1760 at
both Briston and Briningham,
where it was once again noted that they resided in
Briston. FreeREG also mentions that the Briningham vicar wrote
"dead" in the
margin later. In the Briston register is the burial, 23 Jan 1761, of
Barnes, was born and baptised 20 February 1762 only at Briningham,
the register once again says they lived at Briston. He must
have died, because the name is used again.
- Ann Barns,
was born 3 March in Briston, and baptised 5 March 1764 at Briningham,
and 6 March in Briston. The subject of our investigation!
was born and baptised 20 June 1765 at Briningham, not in Briston,
they still lived in Briston. FreeREG once again mentions that the
Briningham vicar wrote "dead" in the margin. There is burial registered
in Briston 4 Aug 1765 (only name and date).
- William Barnes,
was baptised 2 Feb 1767 at Narborough, Norfolk (parents Benjamin and
Dorothy). Apparently he was buried there a few days later, 12 Feb 1767.
- John Barnes, was baptised 14 Jun 1769 at Narborough,
Norfolk (parents Benjamin and Dorothy).
- Thomas Barnes, was born 30 Jun 1772, baptised 5 July at Norwich St Peter
Hungate (parents Benjamin and Dorothy).
was apparently baptised 14 December 1775 supposedly in Briningham, but
I think more likely in Gaywood.
While I am sure Mary
exists, this baptism is not in FreeREG transcriptions of Briningham
registers, but can only be found in
I do not find it in the
scans of the original register.
This may be the same Mary who was a witness at the marriage of
William Barwell and Anne Barnes in 1791 in Norwich. She can be traced
in the 1841, 1851 and 1861 censuses, as Mary Locksmith, in 1841 still
with her husband, in Walsingham), which both say she was born in
near King's Lynn, not at Briningham. The Gaywood parish register does
not appear to be online, and the archdeacon's transcript is scanned
but the relevant pages have been very badly damaged, and the Bishop's
transcripts seems missing for almost the whole diocese for 1774 and
Mary clearly exists, but how did this transcription get into the wrong
we started with circumstantial evidence for a connection to Ann Barnes
who married William Barwell: the Flack middle name. This
a link between the families of Mary Locksmith and Ann Barwell, to
the family in
Briston of Benjamin and Dorothy Barnes. Additionally, in the case of
Mary we have the clear common link to the hamlet of Briningham. Probate
reference then confirmed these leads.
Lin first suggest that Mary
(the sister of
our Anne) must have married John
Briningham Dec 1795
, and gave names to
Thomas Flack(e) Locksmith, Dorothy Locksmith, and Benjamin
Locksmith. There are numerous other children, and at the same time in
the same two registers, are the children of John's apparent brother
Robert Locksmith, a farmer married to Elizabeth Bunting who must also
be the one who witnessed John's marriage. At a certain point both
Locksmith families seem to have avoided baptisms for a while. In 1851
and 1861 censuses, Mary is living as a widowed annuitant. I have also
found the marriage licence which shows that Mary Barnes was only 20,
and received permission for the marriage from her grandmother, Anne
. John Locksmith was then described as a 21
year old miller of
Briningham and his guarantor was Edmund
of Thornage, a farmer.
The following were the first cousins of Thomas Barwell the
mariner in London.
Locksmith, was born and baptised 4 Dec 1796, but buried at age 2
months, 31 Jan
1797 (Briningham St Maurice). The parents were John and Mary (née
Flacke Locksmith, was born 23 and baptised 29 Apr 1798, but buried age
Jul 1803 (Briningham St Maurice). The parents were John and
Mary (née Barnes).
Locksmith, was born 2 and baptised 6th July 1800
(Briningham St Maurice), by parents John and Mary (née Barnes).
Locksmith, was born 8 and baptised 16 Jan 1803 (Briningham
St Maurice), by parents John and Mary (née Barnes).
- Mary Ann
was born 9 July 1805, and baptised much later 2 July 1826 at Briningham
Maurice, together with her younger sister Dorothy, with the birth being
certified by the parents, John and Mary
Locksmith. Mary Ann apparently married someone named Turner because
"Mary Turner" is living with mother and
sister, Mary and Rebecca Locksmith, in Walsingham in the 1861 census.
born 20 Jan 1808 and baptised much later 2 July 1826 (Briningham St
Maurice), with her older sister Mary Ann. Her parents were John, a
miller, and Mary. she possibly married John Wigg
11 Mar 1832 in Briningham.
- Thomas Flack
was born 14 and bapt 19 June 1810 at Briningham St Maurice, by parents
Mary (née Barnes). (The middle name is wrongly transcribed as Hack in
places, with the cursive "Fl", Fl becoming
In 1842 this Thomas appears
to have married a Sarah (either Sarah Bambridge or Sarah Harriet
Bridges) in Norwich, and then in 1845 he had a son Flack Locksmith.
Thomas must have died when Flack was young, leaving Flack with Mary,
his grandmother. Flack later married a Louisa and lived in Ipswich,
where he also kept the tradition of naming his children with the Flack
was born 21 and bapt. 27 Sep 1812 (Briningham St Maurice), parents John
Mary (née Barnes). Possibly married James Branch 31 Mar 1836 in
was baptised February 1815 (Briningham St Maurice), by parents
miller, and Mary. She was living with her mother in Walsingham in the
1851 and 1861
censuses. 9th Jan 1861 she married John Moris or Maris in Briningham,
and this is her surname in the 1861 census.
- John Barnes
Locksmith, was baptised 21 Sept 1819 at Briningham St
Maurice, by parents John, a miller, and Mary.
(middle name Bones in some transcripts), was baptised 9 July
1822 Briningham St Maurice, by parents John, a miller, and Mary
There is an
admon for Dorothy
Barnes, widow, 30 January 1801 in
unfortunately mentions no
Barwells, it does mention that administration is given to Mary, natural
and lawful daughter of Dorothy, and wife of John Locksmith, miller
of Briningham. Apart from John Locksmith,
also signatures from William
Williams of Thornage gentleman, and
of Briningham, gentleman. This links Dorothy to Mary,
and it also means we can confirm that Dorothy became a
Norwich by 1801, which is where we think her daughter Ann married.
Locksmith died in the last quarter of 1867 (4B/200) in Walsingham, 91
years old. John died earlier, 3rd quarter 1842, also in Walsingham
Dorothy Barnes' links to Norwich, she died
there as a widow 1801, and she had a child baptised there in 1772.
Maybe she had a daughter living there, who she was living
with? It seems a little unusual that Dorothy, an elderly widow, was not
in her home
village nor with her daughter Mary. But I will show that Dorothy's
other daughter Ann Barnes
was still alive, and she had married William Barwell in Norwich.
It means Ann was relatively old at marriage, at 27 years of age,
but this will be easy to
believe when we see that several of her aunts were single
The conclusive proof comes below when we look at records concerning
Dorothy's family, the Flacks.
One more generation of
turning to the Flacks, I can first mention what we can see of the
family of Benjamin Barnes. Although his surname is common, his first
name is less common, and after examination of all neighbouring
parishes, there is one and only one candidate for his baptism, and it
was right in the parish where he lived when he had his first children,
Briston. Unfortunately this register (as we already saw) typically
gives less detail than the Briningham one.
have not found the marriage of John, nor the identity of John's wife.
But it is clear that the other couples having children in Briston in
the 18th century were his two sons, Benjamin and Samuel, who were
married to Dorothy and Elizabeth. (Samuel married Elizabeth High, 5 Jan
1767 in Briston itself.) So it seems very likely that these two burials
are John and his wife: 1 Jan
1795 John Barnes,
was an 88 year old married man
(born about 1707);
and 23 Feb 1799, Mary
Barnes was an 85 year old widow (born about 1714).
- Benjamin Barnes, born
8 Aug 1734, bapt 26 Sep 1734 at Briston. The father was John Barnes.
- John Barnes,
born 3 Aug 1736, bapt 11 Sep 1736 at Briston (1 Sept according the
The father was also John Barnes.
- Samuel Barnes,
born 12 Apr 1738, bapt 2 Jan 1738/39 at Briston. The
father was John Barnes.
- Wm (William)
Barnes, born 3 Dec 1740, bapt 7 Dec 1740 at Briston. The father was
- Mary Barnes,
born 19 Mar 1744, bapt 18 Jun 1744 at Briston.
The archbishop's transcript (but not the normal register) calls the
father "Mr" John Barnes this time (at least according to
have noted that John Barnes was called "Mr" in one record. The further
back we go in time, the less lightly this will have been lightly done.
Also, as mentioned above, in 1768, in the
poll for knights of the shire, John, Benjamin and a William Barnes
were freeholders of land in Briston, and several other places
Norfolk. So they were not badly off.
Before 1768 there are other freeholder lists in Norfolk, but none that
obviously connect to this family. If
I had to guess John's origins though, it would be in a parish just to
the south, Barney. Here we find a John born about the right time to a
couple named Roger and Alice. Still, although some of the Barnes in
Barney were wealthy enough to leave wills, there were no 1768
freeholders named Barnes in Barney. Probate documents of interest:
Barnes, owned freehold land in
Briston, but was listed there as holding it in Plumstead. The listing
concerning his holding in Plumstead shows occupation
by Joseph Wakefield.
on the other hand, freeholder in Briston, is listed there as having
property in Norwich. The listing in Norwich shows his holding
occupied by Simon Greeves.
Barnes as mentioned above, is listed as a freeholder in Briston, with
Marham (near Narborough), but he is not shown in the list of
freeholders in Marham.
Plumstead, another man from Briston was a freeholder, one Robert
Clarke. We also know that Edmund Bird, mentioned already above, and
discussed further below, moved from Plumstead to Thornage.
Robert, of Barney 1727 ANW, administration bonds,
20. This one mentions a Roger Barnes, farmer of Barney, lawful brother
to Robert, who is to be administrator. Also signing as guarantor is a
John, who is a farmer, but I can not read the surname. Down by the
signature I see that he is probably John Palmer.
Robert, of Barney
administration bond, 1727, no. 96. Ruth Claxton, natural sister of
Robert is administrator. Robert is described as having been a brick
burner. He guarantor on the bond is one John Barnes of Barney, wool
comber. Mary Ivory and Susannah Say sign off on the document. And the
statement that Ruth understood her responsibility is signed off by the
Vicar of Barney, Francis Say.
Job, of Marham ANF administration bond, 1728-1735,
no. 115. The admon is given over to John Butler of Narborough, miller,
as "principell creditor". His bondsman is Jeffrey Brown of Narford, who
I interpret to be a "gentleman" (generosum
- Barnes, Benjamin, grocer, of Norwich
(Norfolk) 1741 DN/INV 81A/5 and NCC
bonds 1741 no. 14. The administrator is to be Mary Barnes, the widow.
She has nice hand writing. Her guarantor is a James Wingfield, gent.
They are all residents of the parish of St Simon and St Jude in
Norwich. The inventory is big, as he was a grocer.
Ralph, of Marham 1766-1767 ANF
administration bond, 1766-1767, no. 60.: Wife was Mary. Another
widow named Susan Barnes stands guarantor with her. Ralph was a farmer.
Robert, of Barney, Norfolk NCC
administration bonds 1777 no. 19. Administrator is Susannah Barnes of
Barney, the widow of Robert. This Robert, like the one 50 years
earlier, is a brick maker. Her guarantor is Isaac Loads (or Leads) of
Barney, wool comber. The document is signed off by Thomas Mendham and
Joshua Smith. Smith also signed off on the document that Susannah
understood her responsibilities.
William, of Barney
ANW, will register, 1786-1787, (1787) fo. 98, no. 65. This William
leaves everything to his daughter Alice. The only other people
mentioned are witnesses: Edmund Elgar, Henry Riches, Robert Riches.
may well be a lead, as this parish also shows Barnes entries in
the parish register. Edmund Bird, who appears as a witness in
several Flacke documents, was apparently from there as mentioned at his
marriage to Ann Williams in
Thornage, 12 Jun 1781, which was witnessed by John Barnes and Eleanor
Flacke. As we will see below, Ann Williams was also a Flacke.
Thornage and Briningham
further back in time from Dorothy and looking for more grip on events,
helped point me towards the likely family of Dorothy Flack, mother of
Anne Barnes, and the source of the Flack middle name. Note that in the
period we are discussing, Flack could be spelled as "Flack" or "Flacke"
and indeed the "F" was often doubled in hand-writing, to make it clear
it was not an old-fashioned long "s".
in Aylsham St Michael 24 April 1734, (both single). The license is on
page 134 on the
relevant ANW scans at familysearch, and shows a James Martin
of Watton, gentleman, vouched for Thomas. At that time Thomas
was already a resident of Thornage, as shown also in the elector rolls,
although he had not yet been appointed any position there. Flack was a
cleric, and Anne Wrench's father and
brother were also clerics. The wedding was in the parish of the bride's
Flack was buried 31
Oct 1780 at Briningham. The 1780 will for Thomas Flacke,
Thornage, mentions wife
Ann, single daughters Bridget,
Mary and Eleanor, a son
Richard, a nephew Samuel
most importantly for our story, a married
daughter Dorothy Barnes,
"widow", and a grandaughter Ann Barns
(the only grandchild mentioned). This evidence not only confirmed the
connection of Thomas to the Dorothy who married
but also told us that her daughter Ann
survived at least until 1780, and did not die as an infant as so many
children did. Strangely Thomas does not mention Mary Barnes who was
another surviving grandchild, although she clearly also survived well
into the 19th century, as we see in later wills of the family.
Possibly this is because she was still an infant (and infants often did
not survive). Katherine Flacke, another daughter, is also not
mentioned, but probably
because she had married well, as will be explained below.
For reference, it is interesting to note some details of the lands he
names in the wills for passing to specific legatees.
specifically says (and this will become interesting when we look at
some legal cases brought against Thomas) that if his personal effects
are not enough to pay off all debts, that his wife is authorized to
mortgage on his lands, "above the present mortgage thereon".
- Copyhold land in Briningham called Mill field. Two pieces,
each of about 3 roods. Part of a manor belonging to the Earl of
Buckinghamshire. This is for daughter Bridget.
- Copyhold inclosure called Playfords, in
Briningham, held of Sir Edward Astley's manor of Thornage. This was for
- Copyhold land, about 1 acre and 1 rood and a half, within
North Fields in Briningham. Held of Sir Edward Astley's manor of
Melton. This was for daughter Eleanor.
other messuages, lands, tenements and hereditaments not otherwise
mentioned are to go on a share-and-share-alike basis to the said 3
unmarried daughters AND daughter Dorothy Barnes, widow.
Thomas Flacke, being a cleric, can be found on the English
clergy database online.
This informs us that he had a BA, became a
deacon 25/09/1748, priest 21/05/1749, and
following ordinations and appointments, all in the general area of
two mentions of death in this list approximately match the burial and
will mentioned above, but not the exact date. Presumably the date
recorded on this database is for some type of registration or
announcement of the fact. The photo to the right is hot-linked from the
gravestonephotos.com website and comes from Briningham.
Chapel at the Curate of Hindringham. Ordination
25/9/1748, Bishop Samuel Lisle, Norwich.
Briningham. Ordination 19/5/1749, Bishop Samuel Lisle, Norwich.
Chapel at the Curate of Bramingham, 21/5/1749, at the age of 39, Bishop
Samuel Lisle, Norwich.
Waterden, 31/10/1750 under the patronage of Thomas
Coke, 1st Earl of Leicester, KB (1697–1759)
Ordinary/jurisdiction Thomas Hayter, Norwich. Vacated
13/12/1780, when he died.
: Barney, 22/06/1753. Ordinary/jurisdiction Thomas Hayter, Norwich.
: Briston, 18/08/1758. Ordinary/jurisdiction Thomas Hayter, Norwich.
: Hindolveston, 3/05/1764. Ordinary/jurisdiction Philip
: Twyford, 22/02/1779 under the patronage of Nathaniel Cowper,
gentleman of North Elmham. Ordinary/jurisdiction Philip Yonge, Norwich.
Admitted and instituted Personal union established with the rectory of
Waterden, Norfolk. Vacated 27/03/1781, when he died.
Other online sources such as this
about Gonville and Caius alumni, tell us about his earlier education:
Rev. Richard Flack, rector of Congham St Anne, Norf. Born there.
Educated eight years, at his mother's house, under Mr Foster; then at a
private school at Darsingham, Norf., six months; and two years, at his
mother's house, under Mr Squire. Age 17. Admitted pensioner, June 1,
1726. Tutor, Mr Breese.
It will be dicussed more below, but we should note here that there
is quite a big gap between Thomas graduating and marrying, and the time
when he becomes a cleric. It is in this period that a series of legal
née Wrench was buried 15 Jul 1800 at Briningham,
Norfolk the wife
of Rev. Thomas Flacke, 88 years old. The burial record does
mention her being a widow, but the will proved 1801, and made 16 Feb
does mention it. She intended that her exectutor would be her good
friend Reverend Repps
Browne of Fulmodestone, a cleric, and apparently she gave
him the will in a sealed form.
The will mentions married daughters "Ann
Bird & Catherine Culley", and unmarried ones,
"Mary Flacke and Eleanor
Flacke". The records include a signed
statement by Daniel Jones
that he had helped draft this will in 1794,
and confirmed that the sealed will produced by Reverend Repp at the
funeral was the same. William
Williams also signed this statement. Both Williams
and Jones were gentlemen of Thornage. However just as Anne
done when her daughter Eleanor died (see below) the Reverend renounced
the executorship meaning it went to her daughter Mary Flacke, the wife
of Samuel Flacke.
The said Samuel Flacke and William Williams signed as guarantors for
Mary on the
Here are the children of Thomas and Anne.
based on the wills we can say that we do certainly descend from the
Flackes of Thornage. It appears that the Flackes are the source of not
middle name but probably also the names Thomas and Samuel. As we have
name Samuel survived to be used again by the Willis family in Australia.
- Thomas Flacke, infant, was buried in Thornage 30 Nov
1735. He was one of several Thomases who died young, and it was clearly
an unfulfilled aim to have a son
- Dorothy Flacke
was baptised 19 Aug 1736 at Thornage, Norfolk, by
parents Thomas Flacke and Anne.
By 1780 (her father's will) her married surname was Barnes or Barns,
and she had a "daughter
Ann Barnes" still alive. She is also mentioned in her brother Richard's
will of 1802 which is discussed below.
- Thomas Flacke baptised 10 Nov 1737 at Thornage, with
parents Thomas Flacke and Anne. Buried 25 May 1738 as an "infant".
- Jonathan Flacke baptised 22 Jan 1738/39 at Thornage, with
parents Thomas Flacke and Anne. Buried March
1738/39 as an "infant". (There was also an earlier Thomas infant buried
- Anne Flacke
was baptised 25 Feb 1740/41 at Thornage, with parents Thomas Flacke and
Anne. Was still alive in 1748 (see below) and apparently married Thomas Williams,
widower, 21 May 1771, in Thornage, with witnesses Samuel Culley and
Thomas Flacke. In the wills of her mother (made 1794) and brother
Richard (1802) we see her referred to as Ann Bird, and in the
will of her sister
Mary (made 1816) she is "Ann
Kelley (formerly Ann Bird)". It seems Thomas
Williams was buried 16 May 1775 in Thornage, and they had William, who was baptised in Thornage 19 Sep 1772. Then "Ann Williams", widow,
who married Edmund Bird,
widower of Plumstead, 12 Jun 1781 in Thornage, was actually originally
The witnesses are no less than John Barnes and Eleanor
Flacke. They had a son John in Plumstead, b.19 Jul 1782, bapt. 21 Jul
1782. Edmund Bird was then buried 10 Apr 1798 in Thornage. On the
Admon for Edmund Bird of Thornage in 1798, Ann Bird is widow and
administrator, and William Williams and Elizabeth Green are guarantors.
It could be very useful to find out what happened to Ann, as she lived
into the period where we do not know what happened to our family. But I
have not tracked any marriage to a Kelley.
- There might be a
connection to the
the nearby parish of Barney, 19 Nov 1816, William Kelly, of St John
Sepulchre in the City of Norwich, married Susanna Bird,
with witnesses Ann Bird (signed with a mark) and Gotts Bird. A
Gotts Bird and an Ann née Austin were having children in Barney from
about 1794 to 1806, after marrying there in 1792.
- There is also a
marriage for an Edward Kelly and an An Bird in 1810 in St
Marylebone in London, showing in the Boyds index, but inspection shows
that this Ann was a spinster. It is worth noting that Anne would have
been about 75 in 1816, so quite elderly despite her recent marriage.
- There is also a marriage
29 Nov 1803 in nearby Oulton,
between Ann Bird and Thomas Keeler, by banns. Witnesses John Poll and
someone named Ann. Problem with this hypothesis is that this Ann Bird
might be the onewho was buried as Anne Keeler, 28 Dec 1823 in Oulton,
but in this case she was too young - only 43 at death.
- Bridget Flacke
was baptised 1 Mar 1740/41 at Thornage, with parents Thomas Flacke
and Anne. She was still alive and single in 1780 when her father died.
According to her brother Richard's will
of 1802 she married George
and came to live in South Creak. The marriage was 20 Dec 1787 in Thornage,
with witnesses Robert
and Mary Flacke. George was a resident
of Stody at that time, and appears to have been a cordwainer according
to NRO documents such as NRS 22815, Z72. They apparently maintained a
this place, which the registers and will indexes seem to indicate as
his family's home. Bridget's sister Mary's will calls Bridget a widow
in 1816. Her
husband George Bambridge had been buried in Stody 13
Apr 1815, but the register says he was a resident of South Creake. He
was reported as being 72. His will confirms his wife's name: Bambridge,
George, of South Creake 1815 ANF will register
1814-1815 fo. 414 (1815 no. 36). Bridget Bambridge
was buried in Stody 17 December 1829, with the age given as 88,
matching her baptism. This must be their son's will: Bambridge, George, yeoman, of Stody 1834 NCC will register Lane 823
Flacke was baptised May 1742 at Thornage, with parents Thomas
Flacke and Anne. He was buried 28 Jun 1742 as an "infant".
Flacke was baptised 21 Apr 1744 at Thornage, with parents
Thomas Flacke and Anne. She
married Mr. Samuel Culley at Ludham, and died in 1808, in the
65th year of marriage. She is also Catherine
Cully in her mother's 1801 will, and her marriage to Samuel Culley
is mentioned in brother Richard's will of 1802. It appears in
Thornage register 23 Jun 1766, with witnesses Catherine Artley and
- Richard Flacke,
the only son who grew to adulthood,
was baptised 5 May 1745 at Thornage, with parents Thomas
and Anne. He was buried at Briningham 2nd February 1802, a single man,
years old. The breakthrough which proved that we have the right Barnes
family which married our Barwells came first with
National Archives document IR 26/390/8, Abstract of Will of
Richard Flacke, Gentleman of Briningham, Norfolk. Proved
10, 1802. Richard assigned William Williams of Thornage, a
sole executor. This William must have been the son of his sister Ann.
Richard left an annuity first to his housekeeper Sarah
Colman until she married or died, then to go to his sister
Bambridge, and after her decease, to be split 4 ways, between the other
2 remaining sisters, Anne Bird, Catherine Culley, "and the remaining
part or share to be equally divided between Anne
the wife of William Barwell, and Mary Locksmith
said Ann Barwell and Mary Locksmith are the only surviving Children of
my late sister Dorothy Barnes deceased)". For
some reason, Richard is apparently
interred with the Brereton
family, a local family who appear as
witnesses here and there. Probably it is because one of them (Shovell)
became local cleric, an old Flack job. As we will see, there
seems to have been a strong tradition, at least amongst these families,
of incoming clerics becoming part of the family of the clerics they
- Thomas Flacke, infant, was buried in Thornage 5 Jan 1746/47.
- Mary Flack,
was baptised 20 Dec 1747 at the neighbouring parish of Stody, with
Thomas Flack and Anne.
Newspaper adverts in 1749 also mention Thomas Flacke of Stody, when he
was involved as a contact for some land being sold, and
Stody is mentioned in a legal case, C 11/331/31, "Howes v Flacke" of
1748, to be discussed below, as the
place where the family were living. So Stody seems to have been home
for a few years. (Could this be because
of the legal dispute?) In her
brother's and sister's wills we see that she married Samuel Flacke of Filby, widower,
by 1802. This will be discussed separately below.
Flacke was baptised 15 Jan 1749 at
Briningham, Norfolk, parents being Rev. Thomas Flacke and Ann;
and was buried 29 January 1750/51 Briningham.
- Thomas Flacke was buried 14 Sep
1751 at Briningham.
- Jonathon Flacke
was baptised 25 Apr 1752 at Briningham with parents being Rev. Thomas
Flacke and Ann. Buried 16 Jun
- Rebecca Flacke was
baptised 31 Aug 1753 at Briningham with parents being Rev.
and Ann. Buried 24 Sep 1757 Briningham.
- Eleanor Flacke
was baptised 27 Nov 1756 at Briningham with parents being Rev.
and Ann. She was still
alive and single in 1780 when her father died. Her will was made 23 Feb
1797 and published 2
days later, with the burial at Filby being 2 more days later, on the
27th in Filby, where her sister lived. The register says she was 37,
and a spinster. The will describes her as being of Thornage but has a
note to say that the testator lived and died at Filby. It left
everything to her mother Anne Flacke and sister Mary Flacke, but the
record shows that Anne recounced being executrix, and this
responsibility went to her sister "Mary the wife of Samuel Flacke
residuary legatee within named". A second confirmation of the Barwell
link comes with the 25 February document to confirm this administration
being warranted by "Samuel Flacke of Filby, Farmer", "William
Barwell of the City of Norwich Wine Cooper"
and "Francis Smith of the
said city Cooper". (I discuss this lead in the Barwell
section above.) Furthermore the 12
February [sic] renunciation document by Anne, the mother, is signed by
Anne Barns and W Williams. Effects were apparently less than £100
according to a later note.
Samuel Flacke, widower, of Filby
We must not ignore the Samuel Flacke who
Was he a close relative? The marriage happened 17 Feb
1794 in Thornage, and was witnessed by Eleanor Flacke and Edmund Bird.
Samuel's first wife had been (according to a burial record in Filby 27
Oct 1793) Elizabeth
Clark, and 49 years old at her death. They
had married 9 Apr 1765 in Blofield. Filby and Blofield are
each other, and to Yarmouth and Bramerton, but far from Thornage. I can
find baptisms and burials for daughters:
first guess was that this Samuel must be Mary's uncle who
will be explained below. The area where we first find this Samuel is
the same as where we last see the brother of Thomas, who had also
trained as a cleric. But it is striking, given his
education, that he signed documents with a mark, and also his age at
death implies a birth year around 1736, whereas Thomas's brother Samuel
was born more than 20 years before in 1713. A lead comes in the will of
Thomas Flack in 1780, already discussed above, which refers to
named Samuel Flacke. So Samuel and Mary were first cousins.
- Ann Flack, daughter of Samuel and Elizabeth, 12 Jul 1766 in
Blofield. She was buried 9 Nov 1766.
Flacke, daughter of Samuel and Elizabeth, 15 Feb 1778 in
Married John Howard
in Filby, 14 Jul 1786 (marked as spinster). John was from Beighton,
where there was a Howard family farming there and in Moulton it seems,
but he does not seem to be an heir in the main line. The couple appear
to have had a daughter Elizabeth born there 18 October 1798, baptised
21 October. Samuel Flacke's will indicates that later the couple lived
in Great Yarmouth, where John was a husbandman, and one of their
children was named Samuel. He could possibly be the baptism of Samuel
Howard in Blofield, 6 Jan 1803, whose parents were named John and
Elizabeth. If so, then the same couple also seem to have had a daughter
Harriet, baptised 16 Feb 1805.
- Lydia daughter of Samuel and Elizabeth was buried 10 Dec
1783 in Filby at the age of 1 month.
Samuel and Mary moved to
Hindolveston later in life (back near Thornage). The 1806 electoral
rolls also shows that this Samuel
in Hindolveston still had land in Yarmouth. Mary
Flacke, his wife, died first and was buried in Hindolveston 6 Mar
1816 at the age of 69 (so born about 1747, which would be a perfect
match). Probate reference
1/2/10 fo. 184. It was made 28
February 1816, and proved 26 July 1816. She opens by describing herself
as a yeoman and stating that the will is made "in pursuance of the
power and authority given and reserved to me provisions to my marriage
contract with the said Samuel Flacke". Her executors are William Hardy,
beer brewer of Letheringsett and Thomas Tary shop keeper of
Samuel Flacke, said to be 84 year old, was buried in
Hindolveston 17 Jun 1820 (so born about 1736). The will was made 12
January 1819 and proved 26 June 1820. Probate reference is
1820 NCC will
register Mack 433. The main beneficiary and executrix was
his daughter from his first marriage, Elizabeth Howard, wife of John
Howard of Yarmouth.
She was to give his watch to his grandson Samuel Howard as a
"particular mark of love and affection". The will
emphasizes very strongly that her inheritance is for her without any
control or meddling from the husband.
- Her husband is to get 100 pounds plus interest. But after
- 200 pounds is to be used to buy securities in order to pay
interest to Mary the
wife of John Locksmith, miller of Briningham. And after
Mary's decease, to her children.
- Another 200 pounds was to be similarly used for the benefit
of "Ann Kelley (formerly
Ann Bird)", and after her decease this is to be divided
between "the children of the said Ann Kelley and unto the two Daughters of Ann
equally to be divided amongst them". (So we know there were two living
daughters in 1816, which means Mary Ann Barwell was still alive. But does this wording
imply that Ann was already dead?)
- Another 100 pounds for Mary's sister Bridget Bambridge, widow.
After her death, this would be to the benefit instead of Elizabeth the wife of John Howard
of Great Yarmouth,
husbandman, which is of course her step daughter, the daughter of her
husband. After Elizabeth dies the interest from this 100 pounds is for
"my Nephew William Williams" and "my nephew John Bird", who would of
course both be children of her sister Ann.
The legal documents
the family of Thomas Flacke in Thornage, some interesting
legal documents also exist in The National Archives
in Kew, which I have copies of. They give important leads to other
parts of the family, especially the Wrenches and other ancestors of
Thomas's wife Anne. Such leads are taken up more fully on the webpage
dedicated to her ancestry. These cases happened when the
eldest girls were still young and Richard and the younger girls were
not yet born.
documents also seem to define a period in the life of Thomas. Thomas
would have been relatively young when he started being involved in
legal disputes, or in any case he had not yet taken up any of his
appointments. He matriculated in 1730, having been born in 1709. There
is then a long gap until his first appointment in 1748, which matches
the period of his legal troubles concerning money and the assets of
especially his wife's family, but also his own. It seems that he
converted a lot of land into South Sea annuities, and that things went
badly. In fact I think we can wonder if he ever intended to become a
cleric like his father, both his grandfathers, and his wife's father
and brother. For a long period he maybe intended to be landed gentleman.
seen in all three legal cases representing
the Flack girls' interests and apparently his own, was by this time
rector of Congham, which is a parish where the father of Thomas had
previously been rector. Not only that, but he had married Bridget
Flacke, 10 Sep 1730 in
Congham, who was the sister of Thomas and Samuel. I will
a more full Flack family tree below, once we have gathered the
evidence. From records there we will see that later in life Charles was
a master at the grammer school of King's Lynn.
would Thomas Flack be suing his own children in the first case? Legal
systems have always created strange situations, and there was an old
tradition going back to the middle ages, of creating "fake" cases in
order to get a judgement on record and avoid problems later. This one
inheritances of the Wrench family. The two 1744 files
are apparently two parts of one case, and they appear to
to get court approval for violating old
contracts involving the inheritances of family members now deceased.
The defendants are the same people who might have opposed the proposed
actions, but they do not seem very opposed.
Many of the people mentioned appear to be relatives of Anne, the wife
Reference: C 11/457/24,
"Wrench v Clarke", of 1744.
Plaintiffs: Jonothan Wrench, clerk and Thomas Flack, gent and Ann Flack
John Clarke, Dorothy Flack, Ann Flack, Bridget Flack and Catherine
Flack, infants (by Charles Squire), Charles Squire, Thomas Morse,
Edward Howman and Sir Benjamin Wrench kt.
11/2098/25, "Wrench v Clarke", of 1744.
October 1744. The aim of these documents was to get basic facts
straight from witnesses.
Greenway of Norwich confirmed the contents of a
quadripartite (4 party) agreement 10 May 1703 involving the following 4
parties: 1. Ann Howard, Jonathan
Wrench, and Ann his Wife; 2. Roger and Edward Howman; 3. Benjamin
Wrench and John Morse; 4. Samuel and John Clerke. (This would have been
one year after the marriage of Jonathan Wrench and his wife Ann. See
- Edmund Jewell of
Aylesham confirmed a tripartite document 20 April 1734 involving 1.
Thomas Flack; 2. Jonathan Wrench and Ann Howard; 3. Charles Squire and
Thomas Morse. (This would have been about the same time as the marriage
of Thomas Flack and Ann Wrench. See above.)
he confirmed that this Thomas Flack and his wife Ann, who was Ann
Wrench before marriage, are the same ones who are complainants in this
case, and the said Charles Squire and Thomas Morse are two of the
defendants (actually I suppose Thomas is a son to John Morse). He also
Jonathan Wrench the elder had died more than 4 years before, and Ann
his wife more than 30 years before and had been buried in Aylsham.
Also Ann Howard is the same person as Ann Baldwin
who was buried in the parish of Salle. (I note that Salle is where
Thomas Flack's grandfather Samuel had been Rector.
His predecessor, I note, had been named Roger Howman.)
Brooke of Norwich
confirms that Ann Howard, widow, remarried first, his father, William
Brooke, cleric. (Died 1714 I believe.) Next she married Robert Baldwyn,
of Norwich, and was buried as Ann Baldwyn in Sall, about 10 years
earlier (around 1734).
Jonathan Wrench, clerk of Aylsham, Norfolk (only son and heir of
Jonathan Wrench senior, clerk deceased late of Aylsham), Thomas Flack,
gent of Thornage, Norfolk and Ann Flack his wife (formerly Ann Wrench,
spinster, only daughter of said Jonathan Wrench, deceased).
John Clarke, DD, Edward Howman, Sir Benjamin Wrench kt, Charles Squire,
Thomas Morse and Dorothy Flack, Ann Flack, Bridget Flack and Catherine
Flack, infants (defended by said Charles Squire).
are 6 pages. The 1st two are the complaint; page 3 is a document about
the need for a guardian to appear for the infants; page 4 is the
defense of John Clarke Doctor of Divinity; page 5 is the defense of
Benjamin Wrench and Edward Howman; and finally Charles Squire and
Thomas Morse are on the last page, supposedly speaking independently,
but in one written statement. In many ways, each of these pages
simply repeats the same history and ends by asking the court to decide
if the complainants can do what they propose. For genealogy it is good
that some more details are given about the parties to the 1703
- Concerning the group which was the
first party to the indenture, Ann Howard was
the widow of William
Howard, a gentleman of Bungay in Suffolk, whereas Ann
Wrench the wife of Jonathan Wrench the Elder is the daughter and part
heir of this William.
- Given all the other references, I
presume Howard is a mistake for Howman in the complaint's
page, where they mention that Roger "Howard", was a Doctor of Physick
in Norwich (now deceased), and Edward "Howard", is a gentleman of
Walsingham. This is how they are described elsewhere in these
the 3rd party, it is noted that Benjamin Wrench has now been knighted
and is another Doctor of Physick of Norwich, and John Morse is a mercer
- The fourth party was Samuel and John Clarke in
Gonvile and Caius college in Cambridge University, sons of Edward
Clarke Esq. of Norwich. Samuel is now (in 1744) deceased.
in that 1703 indenture the first parties (Jonathan the elder, his wife
and mother-in-law), in pursuance of articles in the marriage agreement
they had made before the wedding, agreed to register their agreement to
the Court of Common Pleas in Westminster and to Roger and
Edward Howman (who I can add are both nephews of Ann the widow of
William Howard) concerning various lands. These lands were to
thirds to Jonathan Wrench the son, and one third to Ann Wrench the
daughter, but limited by a condition that 56 pounds per year went to
their grandmother Ann Howard while living. After she died, the money
coming out of the state
was to be "to the use
of", or managed by, Roger and Edward Howman, for 99 years but under
rules all long
since expired, then to the use of Jonathan the elder. Then after his
decease, to Ann his wife, and then after her decease to the executors,
administrators and heirs of Benjamin Wrench and John Morse for a term
of 500 years, which term was apparently the term still running. Edward
and Benjamin Wrench describe this role as
being trustees, without an interest. They note (as do the other
that "the Compainants
Thomas Flack and Ann his Wife are desirous that the Complainant Ann's
Third part [...] should be sold and disposed off" and then used to buy
lands in Norfolk. They say they are willing to do whatever the
honourable court sees fit. The page recording the defense(s) of Charles
Squire and Thomas Morse (dated 25 May 1744) closes in a similar way. It
mentions the ages of the children: Dorothy about 7, Ann about 4,
Bridget about 3, and Catherine about 2 months.
should note that these lands in Suffolk are a lead for future research.
It appears that they came from the Howard family of Bungay. Another
obvious question is the relationship with the Clarkes and Howmans.
Concerning the Howmans, the will of Anne Baldwin gives the answer, as
we will discuss on the
webpage which follows the Howard pedigree
back further in time. I shall also discuss a 1719 legal case which
makes it clear that in fact Anne Baldwin had little control of the 56
pounds income, which was in effect already coming from her son
Jonathan, and actually going to her third husband rather than to her
directly (which is one aspect of her complaint in that case).
and Anne apparently managed to sell of the lands in Suffolk
it seems they invested badly, including into South Sea annuities, and
things went badly. Thomas was involved in legal disputes with debtors
for the rest of his life. He possibly never intended to enter the
clergy nor to move to Brinington. Here are further cases related to
Thomas Flack, some of which I have copies of:
C 11/2108/18 "Flacke v Buxton", of 1745. Plaintiffs: William Flacke,
gent of Thornage, Norfolk. Defendants: Francis Buxton gent, John Howes,
[…] Ellis and [...] Ward. [Note: I have copy and it clearly concerns
Thomas Flacke, not William Flacke.]
- Reference: C 11/2108/16, "Flack v Howes", of 1746.
Flack, gent. Defendants: John Howes, esq and others.
C 11/331/31, "Howes v Flacke", of 1748. Plaintiffs: John Howes, esq of
Norwich Norfolk, Ben Joseph Ellis DD of Norwich and [...] Townsend,
clerk (surviving executors of Charles Ward). Defendants: Thomas Flacke
and Ann Flacke his wife, Dorothy Flacke, Ann Flacke, Bridget Flacke,
Catherine Flacke, infants (by Charles Squire clerk, their
is a dispute about money which Thomas Flacke
apparently owed to Charles
Ward before he died. I think it has a connection to the previous cases
in an indirect and messy way. I shall extract some interesting points.
lands were part of the lending agreements, it
mentions that Thomas (or his family in any case) had, at least when the
lending was arranged, lands not only in
Theberton, but also in Thornage
and a place they refer to in various ways including Burmingham and
Burlingham. The claim is that Thomas had pretended he fully owned the
Suffolk, although he did not. (The
accusation is at one point described as a conspiracy by Thomas and
accuse that Thomas was able to sell the Theberton lands in the
meantime, and also they claim that Thomas had bought a
considerable amount of South
annuities with this income.
Squires' statement on behalf of the children is dated at Stody, as is
the defense statement of Thomas and Ann. This matches baptismal and
newspaper information that this is where the family must have been
living for a few years at that time. Maybe the legal dispute even
forced them from their other home?
The defense statement
also confirms that Jonathan Wrench the elder left only two children
when he died, Jonathan the younger (still alive) and Ann the wife of
that the land in Burmingham or Burlingham is a bit of a surprise. The
modern Burlingham is not near
Thornage or Theberton, the two places where Thomas and his wife's
seems to have had possessions. I am wondering whether this simply
refers to Briningham. By coicidence, the mother of Thomas was a
Burlingham, but I also wonder if it is not
a coincidence, because maybe the surname does not derive from the
modern Burlingham? I note that in Blomefield's time it
both Bruningham or Burningham. There is also a
Braningham in Norfolk.
the Howard webpage, I shall discuss a much earlier legal
1719, where Ann the mother of Ann Wrench complained about her own third
husband, Robert Baldwin, and made it clear that the Suffolk lands
discussed in this 1748 case, must have come from William Howard (or
- Reference: C 12/310/16, "Howes v. Flacke" of 1750.
- Reference: E
134/33Geo2/Trin2 of 33 Geo 2 (22 June 1759 - 21 June 1760). Henry
Baines, gent. v. Thomas Flack, clerk, Edmund Jewell: Capital messuage
in Thornage, parcel of the manor of Thornage (Norfolk). Mortgage.
Repairs, &c., &c.: Norfolk
- Reference: C 12/1230/42 "Howes v Flacke" of 1777.
The Flack(e) family, as
far as we can take it.
looking at Cambridge University alumni biographies we
can form a small family tree of Flack(e) clerics in Norfolk. We can add
information from the parish register of Chattisham in Suffolk (some collected
on the Flack genealogy page), also from several old Suffolk wills, and
from a few National Archives documents. The furthest I can go so far is
three brothers, William,
whose father we do not know but who somehow came to Chattisham near
Ipswich around 1600 and became important there.
1. William Flacke, yeoman.
The earliest document we have so far is
the will of William, yeoman of Chattisham, of 1618 (Suffolk will
corresponding to a burial 17 November 1618. His wife was Martha, which
would be Martha Dogget
who he married only 2 years earlier in 1616,
according to Boyds Index. This William appears to have had a young
living daughter Marie
less than 18, and an
unborn child. I note that the family of Martha Dogget has been
studied by other genealogists, such as on
, and this
. She remarried to John
and emigrated with him to America. It does not seem
her children played any further role in Chattisham.
mentions a brother Thomas
his brother Richard
who was to be sole executor. William mentions that he has lands on
Chatsham (Chattisham) Hall. This would appear to refer to the manor of
Chattisham Hall which was by this time a possession of the provost and
fellows of Eton
in Windsor, who had swapped it with King Henry
VIII for what is now St
in London, after he had earlier had Cardinal
disposses the Priory of Wix
of it as part of the so-called Dissolution of
. This is important, because soon after this
will we find this land leased
from Eton was in the hands of Richard Flacke. That Richard is William's
Concerning this lease and manor, I have found an
hosted by the National Archives, concerning the historical documents
Eton's possession of the Chattisham Hall manor. At scanned page 180 we
find that William Flacke was
named in a new lease of 16 December 1616, for a 21 year term, in the
same year as his marriage. It had apparently been held by Robert Barker
before him (from 1607), and before him, George Barker (from 1564). The
lease was for "the manor Chetsham with the parsonage there, and all
tithes, demesne lands, meadows, feedings, pastures and other
appurtenances of the manor, the advowson of the vicarage, woods,
underwoods, wards, marriages, rents, reliefs, waifs and strays, fines,
heriots, perquisites of courts and leets
being excepted and reserved to
the lessors" [the lessors being Eton college]. Technically the
surviving document of 1616 still names Robert Barker as lessee, but
"he will not let or grant and part of the premises to any persons other
than to William Flacke for the next 8 years". It seems both from the
will of William, and the lease renewals, that in practice William was
now holding the lease, and effectively running the estate for the
absentee lords of the manor. A good description of events can be found
in a legal case in
1644, when Robert Barker sued Richard
Flacke concerning the manor and rectory of Chattisham, Suffolk (C
the sd Orator & his father & other his Anncestors by
of eightie yeres together at the least helde as farmers of the
[provost] & colledge of Eaton in the Countie of Buck commonlye
called the kings colledge of Eaton All the mannor lease wth
thappurttenances called Chattisham Mannor house in the said countie of
Suff together wth the rectory or parsonage of the towne of Chatisham
and all lands meadowes pastures feedinge moores & marshes
percell of the demesnes of the said mannor by severall leases to them
made by the provost for the tyme beinge & colledge aforesaid
about thirtie yeres since the sd orator was possessor of a lease of the
premisses made to him by the provost & colledge aforesaid for
dyvers yeres then to come and beinge so possessed by casualtie of fier
the said mannor house barnes stables corne haye & other goods
chattells of his were burned & consumed in all to the value of
five hundred pounds to his utter undoinge wheruppon the sd orator
beinge not able to rebuild the premisses as by covenante he was bounde
to doe and being familiarly acquaynted wth one Willm Flacke longe since
deceased who was a moneyed man did for the some of two hundred pounds
or therabouts in mony to him paid by the said Willm Flack and for other
considerations betweene them agreed uppon but not to the value of the
said lease by two hundred pounds & more bargayne sell graunte
assigne and sett over undto the said Willm Flack his said Indenture of
lease of the of the premisses & terme of yeres therin then to
wch was itended & agreed uppon by & betwene them to be
securitie for repayment of the said mony and such charges as he should
be [att] in rebuildinge the premisses. And shortly after the said Willm
Flack dyed and made Richard Flack his brother his executor who ever
since hath helde & still holdeth & emoyeth the
house of Chattisham & other the premisses by vertue of that
and other leases made therof to him by the said provost &
since the death of his said brother Willm Flack.
story goes on, and Barker refers to the relevant lease being one made
by Richard, dated 20th March, 17th year of King James (1620), where he
demised to Robert Barker certain lands within the manor: Puttock Down
Mill, Mill Banks, 5 acres of close called Puttock Down, 1 acre of
meadow called Mill meadow, parts of Little Oaks etc. Barker says this
was partly in performance of the original "consideration" (price) his
brother William agreed to pay, and partly to keep Barker contented.
Flacke says that there were more recent contracts, and also that Barker
had not kept the mill in good repair, leading to costs for Richard. It
seems there were many contracts and understandings, with both parties
oweing each other different payments or services.
In fact there
had already been an earlier case. In 1621, Robert Barker sued Thomas
Flacke, Richard Flacke, and John Allen of Nayland concerning this same
property in Chattisham, Suffolk (C
Thomas apparently died between the two cases, in 1636. See
It seems from those claims that not long after the other contract, on
24 March 18th James (1620) Barker had actually demised the said
properties to Thomas, but with the condition that Robert could keep
earning the money from them unless he defaulted on the 32 pounds 8
pence he owed to Richard. When he defaulted, a new lease was made for
Allen to take over. Robert complains that there had been an
understanding that the particular payment he defaulted on need not be
paid yet, and that the brothers are conspiring to ruin him and his
family. So it seems that at some point Barker retook control of the
Mill and associated lands but that conflict continued until at least
1644. So maybe he won that case in 1621.
Possibly all sides were
somewhat short of the cash required in order to do both repairs and pay
moneys as agreed. Finally of course, the landlord was Eaton College.
2. Richard Flacke,
of Chattisham, Suffolk
is the man whom Cambridge Alumni references such as Venn mention as the
father of Samuel, and hence he is the
earliest Flack known in my direct ancestry so far. His son
born about 1644, but apparently does not appear in the register. It was
already 12 April 1619 that Richard Flacke
surrendered the lease of
William and started a new lease which now only had 19 years to go (so
was apparently seen as a continuation?). We know William had died
very recently. Maybe it was William's intention that Richard
this over, because he specifies
moneys to be chanelled to his widow and children from the lands, by his executor
wife in his will is Elizabeth. This is probably Elizabeth Acton, who
according to Boyds Index married Richard Flack in 1621 in Ipswich
The marriage license is also
7, 1622. — Richard Flacke of Chattisham, single, and Elizabeth Acton of
St. Peter's, Ipswich, at St. Peter's, Ipswich.
" On page
206 of the scan about Eton lands we see that at a court held on 14
admitted Richard Flack and Elisabeth, his wife, to a croft and other
lands (described) surrendered for their use by John Bennett,
8s. So possibly Richard was not (yet) living in the main house his
brother left? From pages 190-1 of the above-mentioned online
we can see that Richard also started a new lease under the
college, of 5 acres called Pepper Whites Wood in the
neighbouring parish of Hintlesham, 18
December 1625. The lease had previously been held by Edmund
Thompson (who had problems with tenants who claimed not to be under the
college, as would Richard's heir). In 1635-6 Richard was in
the middle of a strange case
legal case about the college lands, described on pages 234-5 of the
Both leases were renewed on 6 Nov 1637 for 21 years, by Richard Flacke
of Chattisham, gent.
Because the renewal on the main lease happened at full term I consider
it very likely that this is the same Richard, and not a son or heir.
(Also we know that the wife's name was the same in 1624 and
1646.) At about the time of Samuel's birth, in
1644, Robert Barker sued Richard
Flacke concerning a manor and rectory of Chattisham, Suffolk (C
So this shows the Flackes
already involved in the business of rectories.
The will of
Richard, made 13 July 1646 (IC/AA1/83/46) mentions wife
and executrix is Elizabeth
who according to Boyds Index married Richard Flack in 1621 in Ipswich
Supervisor is Mr William Redgrave of Rendlesham. Richard mentions that
he had a lease on
lands in Chattisham and Hintlesham, which he held from Eaton College
Windsor, and these went to his son William.
There is an NCC will from Chattisham for the father of Elizabeth: Acton,
George, clothier, of Chattisham, Suffolk
1636 NCC will register Spendlove 27.
It mentions his son Flacke in Chattisham. I can see
from various histories that this George
Acton in Ipswich was a businessman who was pursued by the Eastland
for infringeing its monopoly rights.
We can list the children
adding information from online indexes concerning births and deaths.
3. Thomas Flacke
- Richard Flacke. Not mentioned in will but From
baptisms on Findmypast, we can see that Richard apparently had
named Richard baptised 25 May 1625, and buried 24 June 1633.
Flacke. Baptism 28 Aug 1628, oldest son in will and heir.
- Marie (or
Mary) Flacke. Baptism 23 June 1636. Mentioned in father's
will as a younger child under 21.
- Hanna Flacke.
Baptism 26 Feb 1639, and mentioned in father's will as under
Flacke. Baptism 28
Sept 1643, mentioned in father's will as a
younger child under 21, and also later in his brother William's will.
in father's will as under 21, and listed last so probably youngest. She
is not the baptism 1 March 1626, because she was buried 4 March 1626.
Another Elizabeth daughter of Richard and Elizabeth was buried 14
August 1643. So this Elizabeth must have been quite young in 1646, born
as mentioned, was a third brother. In 1621, Robert Barker sued
Thomas Flacke "and
others" concerning property in Chattisham, Suffolk (C
As mentioned above that we know that the Barkers had held the lease
before the Flackes. William would have been dead in 1621. Thomas was
probably the burial of 2 May 1636
in Chattisham. The documents are complicated and long and will take
time to analyse, but they certainly involve both Richard and Thomas,
and the lease mentioned above which was made by Richard on the 20th of
March in the 17th year of King James, so it only concerns part of the
manor, with Mills etc.
seems that after the first case, by an indenture of 24 March in the
18th year of King James, which would have been the first day of the
regnal year which began in 1620, Robert Barker demised those properties
on to Thomas the brother of Richard, who had the overall manor.
continue with two of the children of Richard Flack. (For more
about Richard's children see above.)
1. William Flacke, gent. of
Apparently the one baptised 28 August 1628 in Chattisham. Will of 1697
(IC/AA1/127/45). Son William gets lands leased from the
Provost of Eaton College, and also "all those my lands meadowes
pastures wch I lately had & purchased of my Brother Samuel
Flacke of Sall in ye County of Norfolk clerk
proving we have the right family),
except for Greenwood Gapp, or Greenway, which is to be kept for his
wife Elizabeth. This man's family apparently remained in Chattisham
during the 18th century, and they continued to use the name William for
several generations. From page 181 of the above-mentioned online
we know that William made a new lease on the main lands 17 August 1667
(30 years after the previous one), and from page 191 we know we had
already made a new version of the second lease 10 Nov 1648. It seems he
was called upon to report upon three tenants who claimed to owe no rent
to the manor and wrote a letter September 1667 about this, which
mentions that he resided in Ipwich (page 225-226 of the scan). A later
letter to the college mentions up coming new leases to be
dated 19 Jan 1694 (page 227).
2. Samuel Flacke
the younger brother, entered Pembroke college 1661. Died 1708. Born
about 1644. I found the baptism in Chattisham 28 Sept 1643.
Admitted pension (age 17) at Pembroke college, 18 May 1661. Son of Richard. Born at
Matriculated 1661; B.A. 1664-5; M.A. 1668. Fellow, 1668-71. Ordained
deacon in Peterborough, Sept. 20, 1668; ordained priest in
Sept. 24, 1670. Father
of Richard (1691-2).
Rector of Salle,
was intituted 9 December 1670 which finished 1708 after his death. His
patrons for that were Francis
Earle, widow of Erasmus
Earle, gentleman of Heydon (another transcription
Francis Haile, widow of Martin Haile, gentleman of Raydon), and Jacob
(or James) Long, of Swanisthrop.
The predecessor of Samuel in Salle was Roger Howman.
Vicar of Saxthorp,
1671-1708. Died 1708. This
was under the patronage of Pembroke college. His predecessor was Francis Grigg.
I have his will: Flacke,
Samuel, clerk, of Salle 1708 ANW, will register,
1707-1708, fo. 300
burial registration at Sall on 1st June 1708 can be seen on 60 of the online
The will was made 6 June 1705. It shows that he possessed a lease of
property in Scottow, held from John Lord Bishop of Norwich, and also
the perpetual advowsons
of Congham St Marys and Congham St Andrews and
Great Fransham. He had also purchased lands from Charles Spilman of
Congham, Clerk. (The Spilmans or Spelmans were predecessors of his son
rector at Congham, and well known old family in Norfolk.) He
refers to his son as Richard Flacke of Great Fransham, Clerk (although
he was already rector in Congham in 1706 it seems). Although he passes
these advowsons to Richard he says the next time one of them needs to
be used, Bridget should get the decision. (As far as I can see this
happen if Richard died, because he was already holding all three.)
Concerning who held the Great Fransham advowson immediately before him
it is not easy to see: the previous rector before Richard had been
Samuel Cushing, who had been long ago presented by Sir
Arthur Capell, Knt.
(Earl of Essex, and the son
of a royalist
We know the first name of Samuel's wife was Bridget
but it was difficult to identify her maiden name, and a marriage record
between her and Samuel has still not been found. I could find
her burial in Salle, on page 63 of the online
"Bridget Flack widow was buried Nov ye 12th Affidavit before Mr Squire
curate of Congham Nov ye 11th" in 1724. Bridget died after not
husband, but also after her son
Richard. The will is: Flack,
Bridget, widow of Samuel Flack, late rector of
Salle, of King's Lynn 1724 NCC will
register Lawrence 229
. She divided her estate half to her
grandson Thomas Flack "of
Congham" (where he would have been learning under Charles Foster the
rector there), and one quarter each to her grandchildren Bridget and
Samuel Flack. All 3 were not yet 21. The executor is Dorothy Foster,
of Charles Foster. (We know that in fact this is her daughter-in-law,
been married to Richard, and had now re-married his successor.
Dorothy's maiden name
was Burlingham and I have created a separate
for her ancestry.) Bridgett also
asks that "if ye Case will bear it I Desire a decent marble may be layd
over my husband & my grave". She asked to be buried
chancel of the church of Salle
have created a separate section below for discussion of Bridget's
. I shall explain that her maiden name was Lucy or
Luce, and she was born in North Walsham to a schoolmaster and cleric.
1. Richard Flack
We can see that there was a small world of clerical families who
inter-married quite often. In the 18th century the Squires and Nelsons
were part of this
world, as were our Flackes and Wrenches.
entered Pembroke college 1692. Born about 1675. The baptism 22 April
1675 can be found on page 24 of the online
of the Sall register.
Admitted pension (age 16) at Pembroke
college, 2 Mar 1691-2. Son
of Samuel (1661), Rector of Sall, Norfolk. Matric. 1692;
B.A. 1695-6; M.A.
1699. Fellow, 1698-1704. Ord. deacon (Lincoln) June 4, 1699; priest,
Dec. 24, 1699.
Rector of Great Fransham, Norfolk, 1703. He replaced Samuel Cushing and
was presented by his own father Samuel.
Rector of Congham,
1706-15. He replaced Charles Spilman, and he was presented by his own
Buried Mar. 29, 1715. Father of Thomas (1726) and Samuel (1730).
(Carthew, II. 180.)
burial 25 Mar 1715 is marked in the Congham register with "Master of
Clerks and late Fellow of Pembrook Hall Cambridge Died 22 Mar 1714/15"
His probate information has no will but 2 files: NCC administration bonds
1714-1715 no. 77, and DN/INV 71/272 1710-1715
The admon shows that Dorothy Flack took administration responsibilites,
and that Richard died intestate. She is living in Congham. Her bondsman
is Thomas Burlingham of Holt. (The messy Latin also mentions a
connection to Congham for him.) I also have a copy of the inventory.
His inventory was signed off by Henry Tofts and Roger Turk (both with
nice hand writing) and Henry Mendham and Francis Goldsmith (scratchy X
His wife was Dorothy
Richard and Dorothy married in his father's parish of Sall 22 Apr 1708,
be traced first using familysearch, which also gives a link to a scan
Bishop's transcript. She later married Richard's replacement as rector,
3 Apr 1716 in Holt. But Foster was not from Holt, and at this time
neither were the Flacks. Dorothy's own family had a
connection to the area (the same area her son Thomas would work). The
register informs us that she is the only daughter of Thomas Burlingham, rector of Holt
and in fact the ceremony took place in Thornage itself, with Thomas
presiding. There is much more
we can say about the Burlinghams, so I have made a new webpage
for the ancestry of Dorothy Burlingham
, which can be traced
back into the Middle Ages. That is also where I discuss the will of her
father for example.
Charles was buried at Holt, 1 Mar 1718/19. Dorothy then presented Benjamin Squire
to the job, who was in turn replaced by his own son, Charles Squire
Before then Charles had been worked as a school master in Great
Massingham, where his father was also rector. Later he became school
master in the grammar school in Kings Lynn. Dorothy and Charles had
three children baptised in Congham, two of whom, Michael Foster
(baptised 4 Jan 1716/17) and Dorothy
(baptised 22 Jan 1720/21) lived to be mentioned in the wills of their
mother and Thomas Burlingham their grandfather. A third child Charles
Foster was baptised 26 Apr 1718, and then buried 1 Mar 1718/19 (1719 in
modern terms, so he did not live to one year old). Michael did not live
so much longer than his mother, buried 2 Aug 1735.
23 Oct 1731 in Congham St Andrew, by which time Charles Squire had
married her daughter Bridget Flack. Her will: Foster, Dorothy, of
Congham 1732 ANW, will register, 1732-1733, fo. 5,
It appears to be self made, and shows she was a fast, casual writer,
not a lawyer. It is charming to read because it is pleasant to
someone through the centuries. She desired her body to be
in the chancel at Congham "where it will be most conveniant either by
my [inserted: Dear husband] Flack or [inserted: D husband] Fosters
grave or at Holt or neere there by dear Fathers grave the place where
he was buryed is mentioned in his will". In the event it seems she was
buried in Congham with husband Foster.
refers to her loved
ones in a familiar shorthand. At one point she calls
her son, who is assigned as executor, "Tommy Flack". Everything she
received from her Father Foster (presumably the father of Charles) is
to go to her son Michaell Foster, "lying in Watchfield and Feltham" (I
am not sure if this is where Michaell lives, or where the estate is),
but he should pay a defined amount to his sister Dorothy Foster (who is
still single) "paying first what is due to Mr Woolf and my brother
Medley and his children". She seems to have owned quite a few diamonds,
and valuable things of that nature, which she lists and specifies
destinations for. She specifically mentions that her son Thomas Flack
should return the pair of silver buckles he was keeping, because these
are for Michaell. It seems she was listing things that were seen as
being from the Foster family. Turning to Thomas, she wants him to lay
"a grave stones if not dun by me in my lifetime upon all his disposed
friends here mentioned My husband Flack my husband
Foster my Father Burlingham and mother Flack". (It had been her
responsibility as executor for her mother-in-law to lay a "decent
marble", if possible, over the bodies of Samuel and Bridget Flack in
And Thomas should add to the legacies which already exist for his
siblings, "Sammiwell" and Bridget Flack, making them 500 pound apiece,
paying them 5% per annum "till they shall have occation to desire the
principall". Her executors are Thomas and Dr Shouldham. Concerning her
Shouldham relatives, please see
the webpage about Dorothy's ancestry
mentioned above. As with many of these wills, she left money to the
poor in parishes where she had a connection. These were Thornage,
Congham, Scottow, Watchfield and Feltham. Her witness were Charles
Barnwell, Wllen Mays and Elizabeth Sutton. The two ladies signed with a
It is very interesting to compare to the will of her father, of 1721,
which I discuss on the webpage
about her ancestry
, in the Burlingham section. It also
mentions her children the Flacks and Fosters.
His children's baptisms from the Congham register:
- 10 Aug 1709, Thomas Flack
entered Caius college 1727. His family is discussed in detail above. He
died: 28 Oct 1780. Born about 1709. Alumni
Information (but see expanded information above): Admitted
pension (age 17) at Gonville and Caius college, 1 June
1726. Son of Richard
(1691-2), Rector of Congham St Ann, Norfolk. Born there. School was at
Norfolk (private). Scholar, 1726-30; Matriculated 1727; B.A. 1730.
deacon (Norwich) 25 Sept 1748, as Curate of Hindringham; priest,
May 1749, as Curate of Briningham. Rector of Waterden, Norfolk,
Twyford, 1779-80. Died 28 Oct. 1780. M.I. at Briningham (see photo
above). Brother of Samuel
(1730). (Venn, II. 25.) As discussed above, he married Anne Wrench.
NOTE: I have moved discussion of Anne Wrench's ancestry to a
- 19 Jan 1710/11, Bridget
Flack, married Charles Squire 10
Sep 1730 in Congham, after he became rector there. (On FreeREG the At
transcription says she is a spinster, but the Tr transcription says she
is a widow; but we can trace her age at death). There appear to be two
wills for him on record: Squire,
Charles, clerk, of
Massingham 1731 ANW, will register, 1730-1731, fo.
68 and Squire, Charles, clerk, of Congham ANW, will
register, 1752-1753, fo. 262 (1752 no. 96).
The burial of Charles Squire was 22 Aug 1752, at Congham. The remark in
the register says "The Reverend - Rector of this parish - late master
of Lynn Regis". Squire's replacement,
presented by his widow Bridget Squire, was Edmund
(The first cousin of this cleric had the same name, and was also a
cleric, but his son
went on to become possibly the most famous
person ever from Norfolk, Admiral Horatio Nelson.) Bridget then married
Edmund, 2 Jan 1755. Bridget died 20 Nov 1779, aged 69, meaning she was
born about 1710, perfectly matching the sister of our Thomas Flack. The
register makes it clear that Bridget was the widow of Edmund Nelson,
"Rector of this parish" and says she was buried from Lynn. The
will for Edmund Nelson, clerk of Congham, was in 1795 ANW, will
register, 1794-1795, (1795) fo. 116, no. 82. (I wonder if
Barnes knew about the connection her mother's family had to the
admiral's.) Edmund Nelson re-married to Elizabeth Forster Rose,
with whom he had children.
- 28 Mar 1712, Dorothy Flack. Buried 16 Dec 1712. (According
to FreeREG the At transcription had 16 January 1712/13.)
- 12 Dec 1713, Samuel
entered Caius college 1731. Born about 1714. Alumni
Information: Admitted pension (age 16) at Gonville and Caius
college, 17 Apr 1730. Son of Richard (1691-2), late Rate of
Congham St Ann, Norfolk. Born
there. School was at Lynn. Matriculated 1731; B.A. 1734-5. Brother of Thomas
(1726). (Venn, II. 32.). The neater Gonville and Caius format
It tells us that he was educated "at his mother's house, two
years, under Mr Foster; at Sandringham (private school), one year,
under Mr Rogers; at Congham (private), five years, under Mr Squire; and
for six months at Lynn grammar school, under the same Mr Squire." Mr
Squire was also his tutor in 1730 when he was admitted as pensioner at
age 16. He was a scholar from Michaelmas 1730 until Lady Day 1735, but
then we see nothing more in such histories about him. He does not
appear to have done much as a cleric, but the English
lists him as having been curate, probably an assistant to a parish
priest, of Strumpshaw and Bradeston 20 September 1736. I presume he
died reasonably young, but not (it seems) before having a child. There
is an obvious marriage for him, Samuel
Flack of Lingwood married Lidia Church
in Yarmouth St Nicholas 12th May 1737, both being previously unmarried.
There is a burial for "The Revd Mr Samuel Flack from Fleet Ditch", 22
May 1739 in St George, Bloomsbury in London. Could that be him?
- Samuel Flack,
born about 1736, and referred to by Thomas Flack as his nephew. I have
not found any baptism. We have already discussed him above, because he
married Mary Flack,
daughter of Thomas, as a second wife, later in life. At first he
married Elizabeth Clark,
9 Apr 1765 in Blofield, which is near Strumpshaw and Lingwood. They
were still in Blofield 12 Jul 1766 for the baptism of Ann Flack, who was
buried 9 Nov 1766. 15 Feb 1778 they were in nearby Bramerton for the
baptism of Elizabeth
Flacke (who married John
in Filby, 14 Jul 1786. They were already in Filby by 1783 when their
newborn daughter Lydia Flacke was buried there. Elizabeth née Clark
died and was buried in Filby 27 Oct 1793, and then 17 Feb 1794 Samuel
re-married to his first cousin Mary in Thornage. As
discussed above, this couple moved to Hindolveston some time between
1798 (for the land redemption tax of 1798 they were still in Filby) and
1802 (for the listing of electors at that time). We can see that
he had land in Yarmouth, both because the election
mention it, and also because the NRO holds a document BR 74/8 where he
involved in a deed of 1808 with a trustee of a Robert Walpole. It is
that he signed documents later in life with a mark. Signing with a mark
could of course just be a convenience, but probably not one common in a
family with so many Cambridge graduates and school masters. As
mentioned above, he died 1820.
- 16 Jun 1715, Ellen Flack.
The register states that the father had died in the meantime. Her
burial is also registered in Congham, 19 Nov 1716.
back to the origins of this family, they appear to have arrived in
Chattisham from elsewhere around 1600, and obviously had some wealth
and connections. In particular Robert Barker says that the oldest
brother William was an acquaintance of him and a moneyed man. The
obvious implication is that he lived in the area where Barker lived,
meaning around Ipswich, or else he knew Barker through other
shows this to be no surprise as there
seems to be a concentration of Flack families in the corner of Essex,
Cambridge and Suffolk, not far so far from the Ipswich area. But it
seems notable that this family was "moneyed" and yet we hear
other lands they owned or held apart from these ones, implying they
were not from an old fashioned landed family of the country side. The
three obvious alternative ways to be wealthy would be the clergy, the
business and trades people of the cities such as Ispwich, or possibly
even government connections. (Since Henry VII, government officials
often did not come from the wealthiest classes, but they often entered
the wealthier classes as a result of their career, buying up land in
order to establish their family.)
It is possible this Flack(e) family had an earlier
connection to clerical work in East Anglia, and possibly even in
Norfolk. Perhaps by coincidence, in
Congham, where our Flackes were for one generation, there had been a
Bridget Flacke in the early to mid 1600s having children. But I see no
reason to suspect that this Thomas was a cleric.
25 Jul 1622, Thomas Flacke
married Bridget Buttrill in Congham.
- 12 Oct 1623, Martha Flack(e), daughter of Thomas, baptised
- 5 Feb 1625/26, Margret Flacke, daughter of Thomas, baptised
Dec 1629, Bridgitt Flacke, daughter of Thomas, baptised in Congham. 15
Jan 1640/41, Bridgett, daughter of Thomas and Bridgett, buried in
19 Jul 1632, Thomas Flacke
buried in Congham.
is also a burial in Congham 30 Jul 1633 for a Georg Flack, with no
description of relations. For the time being I am assuming no
connection. It should be kept in mind that Congham is not far from the
port city of King's Lynn.
1 Dec 1632, Thomas Bride married Bridget Flack, Widow, in Congham
are also more Flackes among the lists of Cambridge alumni, going back
to the 1500s, and several seem to be from the East Anglian area.
The Eton records perhaps
give a lead on
the name of a relative of these brothers. On page 198, in records of
the court rolls, we see that under 13 September 1611: "Curia Baronia
Henrici Savile, militis, prepositi, coram magistro Savile, bursario,
genorosum, subsenescallum." Sir
provost (and very well-known even today) is
in many of the college's documents representing them. (It is
interesting to note that he is an ancestor of the Sedleys who later
married into the Barwell family in Norwich.) But who is
Anthony Flicke, gentleman and "sub-seneschal"
in the court?
Robert Barker had been called bailiff of the college in earlier courts,
with local interests were involved in them. Bailiff and seneschal are
both words which mean something like an estate manager in a context
like this, and that seems to be part of what the Flackes became here,
but Anthony Flicke's management seems to have covered lots of estates.
Might the Flackes have had
connections in the college? But I am not sure that we can ignore the
spelling difference in these surnames, given that the Chattisham
Flackes seem to have spelt their name consistently. It is
notable that both our
Flackes and Anthony Flicke seem to have had some sort of connection
with Ipswich, which is
very near to Chattisham.
Flacke. Adm. sizar (age 17) at CAIUS, Mar. 27, 1579. Of Mellis,
Suffolk. S. of Walter, husbandman. Schools, Eye and Botesdale. Matric.
1579. Afterwards a Jesuit priest. Entered Douay, Feb. 22, 1581-2.
Received minor orders from the Archbishop of Rheims. Entered the
English College at Rome, Oct. 20, 1584. Ord. deacon and priest at
Valladolid, 1591. Rector of St Omer two years and Ghent three years.
Died at St Omer, Dec. 13, 1637. (Venn, I. 201.) [So he was a Catholic
and moved to the Continent.]
- William Flacke. B.A. from CLARE, 1588-9.
Flack. Adm. sizar at QUEENS', Apr. 9, 1595. Of Suffolk. Matric. c.
1595; B.A. 1599-1600; M.A. 1603. Perhaps V. of West Wratting, Cambs.,
1615. The online English clergy database has him ordained
as deacon 6/9/1601 and ordained
29/9/1604 in Downham, by Bishop Martin Heton of Ely. [This one seems
particularly relevant to us. Samuel was also ordained as priest in Ely.]
- Robert Flack. Adm. at CORPUS CHRISTI, 1598. Of Suffolk.
- William Flack. Adm. pens. at JESUS, Sept. 6, 1645. Of
Suffolk. Matric. 1645-6.
Flack. Adm. pens. (age 16) at PETERHOUSE, Sept. 17, 1675. Of Essex. S.
of Thomas, of West Wickham, Cambs. School, Merchant Taylors'. Matric.
1675; Scholar, 1675. Attendant at Gray's Inn. Barrister, 1686. Brother
of Thomas (1682-3). (Vis. of Cambs., 1684.)
- Robert Flack. Adm.
pens. (age 17) at PETERHOUSE, July 2, 1678. Of Cambridgeshire. S. of
Thomas, of West Wickham, Cambs. School, Hertford. Scholar, 1678. Died
in College, July 2, 1679. M.I. at Linton. (Le Neve, Mon., IV, 195.)
Flack. Adm. pens. (age 17) at PETERHOUSE, Mar. 21, 1682-3. Of
Cambridgeshire. S. of Thomas, of West Wickham, Cambs. School, St
Paul's. Died July 3, 1683. Brother of George (1675).
from the Suffolk group with the connection to Chattisham, there was
clearly a Cambridgeshire Flack(e) family, in the corner of the county
towards Suffolk and Essex. In the early 1700s John, Ann
and Robert Flacke had PCC
wills proved in Linton, in Cambridgeshire, near the county
Thomas Flacke senior had a PCC proved in 1615, who was a husbandman of
Castle Camps quite close to Linton (property at Stansfeild, probably
the one in Suffolk, wife Sisley, son Thomas, daughter Rachell, son
Jeffery, another daughter Elizabeth Sparrowe). Still earlier, in the
1500s, a Robert Flacke sued a Richard Flacke regarding a
in Castle Camps, Cambridgeshire (C 3/65/5).
- In another
Eton related document
Anthony Flick appears as under steward again in a baronial court again,
but this time in 1617 in Wretham in Norfolk, another Eton property.
- There is a marriage
license: December 4, 1622. — Anthony Flicke of Needham and
Mary Brocke of Southwold, both single, at Southwold. (Book 5, fo. 20)
- There is a will for a yeoman named Anthony Flick, of Earl
Stonham, 1639. W77/2/53a.
- There is a will for a gentleman of the same name Needham
Market 1660. A4/2/80
- Several documents in the National Archives, such as E
mention an Anthony Flicke who was in 1625 to be taxed in Suffolk,
whereas he had been previously taxed in Ipswich.
3/443/41 is a case of Nathaniel Flicke cleric versus Anthony Flicke,
involving "money matters in Suffolk" in the period 1642-1660.
- C 6/139/55 has an Anthony Flick as a defendent in a case
involving property in Stowmarket, Suffolk.
The ancestry of Bridget
Lucy, the wife of Samuel Flack
is a clear pattern in this family and related ones, of marriages
between families with a clerical background, and land ownerships in the
regions where they settled. Samuel himself was not even from Norfolk
originally, and so when looking for his wife's family, it seems obvious
to look at the land owning and clerical families which he came into
contact with. A few ideas come to mind immediately. The will
of Samuel gave the best lead. Samuel reserved one thing for
Bridget and her heirs rather than his son (who was the living
of both of them). Such wording looks like a sign that it came from the
wife's family. The will is explaining what happens if
Richard their son would die, and it sounds like this particular
possession would go to Bridget's closest relatives, not Samuel's. In
this case the wording was used concerning
the "Scottow lease" held of John Lord Bishop in Norwich. In other
words, like his family back in Chattisham, Samuel "farmed" a
rectory with an absentee landlord, in this case the Bishopric rather
than Eton college.
There is a series of documents held in Norfolk in Bishopric Estate
records under the title
of "Scottow & Little Hautbois Rectories". The leases seem to
normally been about 7 or 8 years each time.
appears as if responsibilty for this lease was sold off by
Flack after his mother's death, to the Durrants who were already lords
of the manor in Scottow. (As described above, his money troubles
probably led to him selling many family assets off.) The Durrants were
still holding both manor and rectory
in the 19th century. As noted above, Bridget was daughter of Henry and
Bridget Lucy. I only found that evidence after I was already almost
certain, because I had found many other details:
- Bridget Lucy
CHC/101099 20 Mar 1676: Counterpart Lease.
- Bridget Lucy
CHC/101100 4 Apl 1684: Surrender
- Samuel Flack CHC/101101 5 Apl 1684:
Counterpart Lease. I am informed by the NRO that this one states that Samuel Flack
"married Bridgett, the onely daughter of the said Henry Lucy and the
said Bridgett Lucy"
- Samuel Flack CHC/101102 30 Mar 1692:
- Samuel Flack CHC/101103 19 Aug 1699:
- Samuel Flack CHC/101104 25 Jun 1707:
Durrant CHC/101105 20 Apl 1713: Counterpart Lease.
that Samuel had died in 1708. Thomas Durrant was at this time holding
the other lease on the normal manor of Scottow, also from the
archbishop. I am not sure
how he stepped in on this one.)
- Bridget Flack CHC/101106 5 Aug 1714:
- Bridget Flack CHC/101107 6 Aug 1714:
- Bridget Flack CHC/101108 8 May 1722:
- Bridget Flack CHC/101109 9 May 1722:
Foster CHC/101110 26 Sep 1729: Counterpart Lease.
(Bridget had died in 1724. This is
Samuel and Bridget's daughter-in-law, and Bridget's executor.)
- Davy Durrant CHC/101111 29 Sep 1743:
Counterpart Lease. (Dorothy had died in 1731.)
Durrant CHC/101112 8 Oct 1753: Lease &
(Interestingly, Davy Durrant Esq. was one of the commissioners in the
Wrench legal case above.)
- Davy Durrant CHC/101113 8 Oct 1760:
- Davy Durrant CHC/101114 10 Oct 1767:
Henry Luce or Lucy or Lacy could also be traced as a cleric. On the
Clergy database we find
and his surname variations include Luce and Lucy. He was rector in
Oxnead, Schoolmaster in North Walsham (grammar), and vicar in Buxton.
There is a note: "Originall he was admitted as a public preacher to
theparish of Oxned by the commissioners. He continued as rector of the
parish after the restoration and was licensed to teach grammar in the
Free School at North Walsham in 1662. This entry is under Oxned." His
patron in Oxnead was William Paston, bart. That would be the baronet of
Oxnead, and sometime high sheriff of Norfolk, father of Robert
Paston, 1st Earl of Yarmouth. Henry Luce is listed
as a headmaster at Paston
School in North Walsham, 1648-1666. He had been usher
at Gresham's school in Holt, 1639-1640. Henry came
from Norfolk, matriculated sizar from Queens' college in Cambridge,
Easter 1637, did
his B.A. 1640-1, and was ordained deacon in Peterborough December 18,
1641. Peterborough is also where Samuel
Flacke was later ordained, and several family contacts of the
Burlinghams (as discussed on the
Burlingham webpage). It implies a
possible link to the royalist Bishop there, John Towers,
himself originally from Norfolk, and is also an ancestor. Henry was
ordained priest in
Norwich, Feb. 25,
1642-3. He was still alive 1663 when he was a witness against Henry
Scarborough of North Walsham for causing trouble at the church (NRO
document MC 2840, 1012X9). He was clearly dead by sometime in 1666 when
was a widow, and given that he was also headmaster
until that year it seems likely he died in 1666. The clergy records
include one saying he was dead
9 December 1669, but this usually indicates a date much later than the
actual death. I have not found a will or burial. I have
found the probable marriage in Heigham St Batholomew, a suburb of
Norwich outside its original limits, 18 May 1648, Mr Henry Luce
married Miss Bridgett
- In the parish register of North Walsham, close to Scottow,
(page 6 of scan):
"Bridgitta fil~ Mr henrici
& Bridgitte Lucye nat 14 Maij & bapt [24 Maij]." So
Bridget senior seems to have had a daughter named Bridget at about the
right time to be bride to Samuel Flack. Note that
the father Henry is a Mr, which most commonly in this period implies a
cleric, and fits exactly with what we are looking for. The
same couple had at least two boys buried in the same period, and on
those entries Henry Lucy the father is clearly marked as a cleric.
Bridget Lucy was buried in
Salle 27 July 1704. (See page 60 of scanned
(signed by Samuel Flack) says Mrs Bridget Lucy was a
is no sign of her there earlier, so she may have moved there
while Samuel lived there, or she may even have wanted to be buried
there because of her own old family connections to the place (like
others in this
The link to the Scottow lease also pointed to the same Henry and
Bridget, and also in turn to the Pitts family.
Now that I
have a copy of both these last two, I see that they both mention Henry
clerk, as a defendent. Both Lyonell Pitts
and Henry Luce are said to be of North Walsham. (The Pitts family seems
to be quite mobile in terms of residency.) It seems Le
Gros had a claim within Scottow and Hautbois lands, via his
ancestor Charles Cornwallis, but it was now claimed by Pitts and Luce.
Sir Charles Cornwallis had been returned for Norfolk in 1604, and is
also mentioned in the defense by Pitts and Lucy (see below). C 5/53/56
shows that the post restoration bishop agreed with Pitts and Lucy that
6 October 1664, he had signed over to Henry Luce a 21 year lease, and
he saw no grounds for any claim against that. In return for several
yearly rents Luce had "All that the Parsonage & Rectory of
[...] the Tythe cornes & graines of all manner of kindes the
barne & [litle?] yard called the barne yard nigh adjoining to
said barne containinge by estimation one roode and all other profitts
and comodities belongeing to the said Rectory or Parsonage of Scottowe
Except and always reserved unto the said Reverend father in god
his successors the Advowson nomination and right of Collation of and to
the vicarage of Scottow". And also the under this deal the Bishop did
"thereby further lease sett & to farme let unto the
Lucy his executors administrators and asignes All those his mannors of
Scottow & Little Haughtboyes with the appurtenencs". Other
documents make it clear that the lease had previously been held by
Pitts, but then sold to Luce, presumably in connection with his
marriage to Bridget although the marriage is not mentioned. We see here
that Lionel held the manor of Hautbois and Scottow in 1641. Before
Lionel, the documents make it clear that the lease had been held by the
father of Lyonell Pitts, Jonas Pitts.
- National Archives
5/515/21, "Legros v Lucy"
of 1666, concerns Thomas Legros complaining
about Bridget Lacy
Subject: property in Scottow, Norfolk. The online reference spells her
name both "Lacy" and "Lucy". So Bridget was already a widow, and Henry
had died, 10 years
before 1676 when she first appears as the holder of the lease. 1666
matches our guess above about when Henry died, based on other types of
- The connection between Luce and Pitts is confirmed by the
one year earlier there was
a Le Gros v Lionel Pitts case, also involving
Scottow (C 5/47/40)
which contains the detailed defense statement of the Pitts and Lucy
side, including a list of owners of the land, and their contracts,
going back to the dissolution when the land had been bought from an
- In 1668, after the Legros versus Lucy case, there is
another case, C
of Le Gros v Lionel Pitts, again involving Scottow, but this time with
the Bishop of Norwich as a co-defendent with Pitts.
So Samuel Flacke married Bridget
born in 1652 in North Walsham. Her father would have died when
she was relatively young, probably 1666, before she was married; her
mother's father died soon after in 1670; her probable husband
had been born in 1643, and was probably not in Norfolk until about
1670; and her probable son Richard was born
about 1675. The Luce family is surprisingly hard
to track so far
despite the unusual surname. Looking at parish registers, the name has
some presence in this time in the area around Scottow, but it has very
spelling variations: Luse, Luce, Lucy, Lacye, Lacy, Lucye
One aim I have
is to find a burial and will for Henry, or a will for Bridget his wife,
have not succeeded. Maybe there are more records related to
There was an old Lacye or Lucy family in Walsham a long time
earlier. The spelling Luce also seems to have particular links to
Salle, which might well relate to the same family, as the distance
between the places is not extreme. For example WHT 1/209, of 4
1377, has a Robert Luce involved in a land grant in Salle, and in the
same period, PET 12, 96X5 of 21 Oct 1367, and PET 17, 96X5 of 13 Jul
1383 show a Robert Luce living in Westwick (near North Walsham).
In the 15th century there were also two chaplains in Salle, during the
time it was apparently being improved, both
named Robert Luce or Lucy, apparently father and son. The Norfolk
even names the Luces as one of the families who were responsible for
the building of such an impressive rural church in Salle, and that the
font has "dedicatory inscription to John and Agnes Luce, asking for
prayers for their souls. We know that John died in 1489." So like the
Howmans they maybe had deep roots in Salle (actually probably much
the way, it is very rewarding to look up reviews of the church in
Salle, and it helps explain the repeated importance that several
families discussed on this webpage placed upon being buried there. Here
is an article calling it "Norfolk's finest church". It mentions the
font again, saying "an inscription survives on the step, asking prayers
for Thomas Luce and his wife and their son Robert, chaplain. Robert
Luce died in 1456, while the church was being ornamented." (The
font and the early Salle Luce connection is discussed here).
earliest record I find of Luces in Salle so far is 4 Oct 1377: WHT
1/209. But today they are mainly remembered for that font there, which
was 200 years too early for Bridget. For the time being I can not find
the origins of Henry Luce, so I can not prove a link back to the
With so few leads in the period where we really need them, it is
perhaps worth noting this will: Lucy,
John, of Briston
1678-1679 ANW, will register, 1678-1679,
fo. 9. John seems to have been a weaver, from what I can
read, and his wife and executrix was Christian Lucye.
The Pitts family of
In the time of James
I, there is C
2/JasI/H24/40, "Hunt v Pitts" involving Lyonell and Jonas
in a case concerning marriage settlement respecting the manor of
It seems Lyonell's father-in-law John Hunt, doctor of
claimed he was tricked by Lyonell and his father Jonas, claiming that
never have approved the marriage under the conditions in the contract
he signed, but he thought the terms different than agreed. Also there
documents in NRO, 19
Feb 1620 MS 15931, 38A2; and 9 Jun 1623 MS
15935, 38A2, both with the same description: Writ of execution decreed in
case between Jonas Pitts of Wicklewood, gent., and Lionel Pitts,
his son and heir, on behalf of selves and Ursula, wife of Lionel, and
of John Pitts, Dorothy Pitts and Bridget
Pitts, children of Lionel and
Ursula, against John Hunt, doctor at Law, and William, his son.
Both concern a £30 annuity. A rather final looking summary of the whole
case is the "decree roll" C78/306, which is scanned online starting
which makes clear that while Thurning was Hunt's contribution to the
married couple, Pitts had granted the manor and rectory of Scottowe and
manors of Fenhall, Stubbs and Gurneys, Norfolk. Jonas and Lyonell won
the case it seems, although at this stage their possession would not
have passed to their heirs. We can confirm here
that the wife of Lyonell, was Ursula daughter of John Hunt of Thurning,
and that John Hunt's wife Elizabeth had
actually granted the manor and
advowson of Thurning to Lyonell and Ursula 9 July 1634, after the death
of her husband, while she was acting as executrix. (But see below
concerning the contents of his will.) There is
also a certificate of residence of 1642 showing Lionel changed from
being taxable in Norwich to Norfolk. In Norfolk, NRS 26206, 143X5 is
an Indenture: Lease for 7 years. (1) Lionell Pitts of Wacton,
Gregory Rosie of Briston, yeoman. Date 10 Jun 1656
Land in Thurning. That the Pitts took over the manor, and it eventually
went to their heir John, is confirmed
by Blomefield in his history. A lease held at Lambeth Palace Library
was as early as 23 October1657: Scottow, Norfolk; Counterpart lease of
the tithes, except the glebe, of Scottow, formerly in the possession of
the Bishop of Norwich COMM/11C/71 23 Oct 1657. To
Pitt gent, of Wacton. Term 6 years, rent £60 p.a. So it seems clear
that Lionell was resident in Wacton around 1656 and 1657.
shown in several catalogue entries in Norfolk, the manor of Thurning
included property in in Thurning, Wood Dalling, Hindolveston,
Guestwick, Melton Constable, Briston and Saxthorpe. Hunt had purchased
it from Robert
Earl of Sussex Viscount Fitzwaters (or Fitzwalter), who was a
member of the Radclyffe family.
The legal cases surrounding Thurning make it clear that Symon
Pitts was the name of the brother of Jonas.
Concerning the children of Lyonell and Ursula, named above as John,
Dorothy and Bridget, the 1664 visitation
of Norfolk shows Lionell Pitts of Wicklewood had a daughter Dorothy who
Thomas Gooch of Hoo in 1639 and then died in 1641. Her baptism was
Wicklewood, 18 Jun 1617. Her parents Lionel and Ursula also married in Wicklewood, 16 Jul 1616.
that Lionell's son John took over Thurning and
later sold it to Erasmus Earle, and he says that John's wife was Ursula
Thorisby. In a later record it seems John Pitt's wife was
Bridget instead of Ursula. See NRS
25725 I, 141X3 "Thomas Stone, gent., attorney in court of chancery,
plaintiff. John Pitts, clerk, and Brigit, his wife, deforciants."
(1663-1664), which appears to concern this manor. John
seems to have had a second marriage, as shown here:
19th January, 1653, 4th Car. II.
Indenture between John Pitts of Disse market, gent., on th'one pt., and
Roger Thornton of Snaylewell, Esq., and Richard Howlet of the same
towne; clerke, on th’other pt. … a marriage ... to be had … between
him, the sd. John Pitts, widdower, sonne and heyre apparent of Lyonell
Pitts . . . and Bridget Bendish of Snaylewell .... single woman,
daughter and coheyre of William Bendish, late of Elmested . . . gent.,
dec. But another
record in the NRO seems to indicate that this John's first
wife might have been named Mary.
Pitts of Wicklewood has a
PCC will of 1632,
which mentions lands in Wicklewood,
Scottow (houlden by copye of court roule of the mannor of
marton), Bawdeswell (including a tenement called Symsewarde),
Foxley, Swanton (I presume Swanton Morley) and Bylaugh. His wife is
Suzanne and she is soul
executrix (but then I wonder if this is a second wife, because his
first wife Susan seems to have been buried 1 Oct 1622 in Wicklewood).
His main heir is his son Lyonell
is married to Ursula, and they have children. Another son
Thomas had died already but left a wife Elizabeth, now the
John Cowper of Attleburrowe and a son Jonas Pitts (baptism in
Attleborough 23 February 1617) and daughter
Anne, grandchildren to this Jonas. Other children of Jonas the
grandfather were William, Simon, Dorothy and
Nicholas. Jonas also owned the advowsons of East Harling and Hockering,
which he wanted his executrix to offer for 100 marks to son-in-law Mr
William Benet. The Worshipfull Mr Charles Lovell and his brother Mr
William Lovell have some type of agreement about with him about these
advowsons; and also concerning his stewardship of the half hundred of
Shropham, currently being managed by a Mr Corke. Jonas has a brother
Simon, and a nephew Francis Firmage (both mentioned in the cases
involving Scottow). Jonas did not want any foolish
ceremonies or public sermons for his burial. He hopes his good friend
do a sermon just for family and friends. I presume this might be John
Cowell, appointed as a schoolmaster to teach writing, 2 July 1667 in
Norwich. Here are baptisms from Wicklewood:
then the baptism of Jonas must be the one in the following sequence:
- 7 Sep 1589 Lionel was baptised
to Jonas and Susan Pittes
- 23 Dec 1590 William was baptised to Jonas
and Susan Pittes
- 16 Jan 1591/92 another William was baptised
to Jonas and Susan Pittes
- 11 Mar 1592/93 Thomas Pyttes The Son Of Jonas Pittes and
his wife Susan
- 26 May 1594 Jonas the son of Jonas and Cristan [?] Pyttes. Buried 29 Jun 1595
- 18 Oct 1597 Henry the son of Jonas and Susan Pyttes. Buried 25 Apr 1598
- 12 Aug 1599 Marye, daughter of Jonas and Susan Pyttes. Buried 18 Oct 1599
- 25 Apr 1624 Dorothie, daughter of Jonas and Susan Pittes
- 22 Jan 1625/26 Nicholas the son of Jonas and Susan Pittes (I think
Nicholas became a cleric and I have his NCC will of 1672.)
- 11 Jul 1561, Jonas
Pittes the son of William and Alis Pittes
- 13 Feb 1563/64, George, the son of William and Alice Pittes
- 12 Nov 1565, Agnes the daughter of William and Alice Pittes
- 1 Nov 1571, Symon the son of William and Alice Pittes
in the Norwich Records Office, MS 18523, 81X3 involves an enfeoffment
done by Jonas
Pyttes of Fincham,
yeoman, of half a messuage and croft in Deopham
In general we can say Jonas, the father of Lyonell, was an important
man in Norfolk in his time. He was associated, it seems, with Sir
Cornwallis (the ancestor of Le Gros) and was receiver for Norfolk and
Huntingdon, and he had correspondence
with Nathaniel Bacon of Stiffkey. Cornwallis and Bacon apparently
played a role in the legal case Pitts pursued against Dr Hunt (below),
with the Pitts saying that "in regard of his place he beinge one of the
masters of chancery extraordinary they the complts were loath to sue
the said doctor hunt at the comon lawe uppon his said bond and
therefore in Easter Terme before bill exhibited they petitioned the
late lord chauncellor of England for remedie of their said greivances
who was pleased to referre them the same unto Sir Charles Cormwallis
knight and Sir Nathaniel Bacon knight". Cornwallis was ambassador to
Spain, the first after a re-establishment of diploacy. Jonas was a
contact point for Corwallis back in England , and is mentioned
diplomatic correspondence, perhaps implying he was a catholic
sympathizer like some of his patrons. If, as it seems,
he became surveyor of Norfolk, this must have been useful in legal
disputes like the one in Scottow. His correspondence also seems to
associate him with the Earl of Salisbury, which would have meant one of
family. It seems that the Hunts and Pitts were hangers on of
some of the same types of "connections" in London politics.
There is a burial for Lionel
Pitts, gentleman, 21 Jan 1670/71 in
very close to Salle, and also to Bawdeswell,
Foxley, Swanton and Bylaugh where his father had owned land. This must
be approximately when Samuel
Flack and Bridget Luce married, but I do not find that marriage in the
either. Also I find no will for Lionel. (Note that a cleric named John
Pitts was noted as curate at Reepham in 1677, and the rector had been
Henry Pitts since about 1675. According to Venn and the clergy website
Henry Pitts was school master of Walsingham and this means he had a PCC
proved 1681. This mentions children John, Henry and Elizabeth, wife
Willoughby, who has brothers Thomas and Charles Robetham (a gent and a
cleric of "Reifla"), and brothers Richard Pitte, and Arthur
of Norwich. The clergy histories say Henry is from London. And John may
be this Henry's son. But it is hard to ignore the following burials in
based on FreeREG transcriptions: 9 Mar 1677, Bridget wife of John Pith;
1 Sep 1694, Bridget Pett?/Pith; John 19 Feb 1688/89 with a note "Rector
of Hackford. Was buried by his wife in my chancell Febr. 19. 1688. The
Affidavit was brought Febr 25". There are two Hackfords, one near
Reepham and one near Wicklewood.)
Pitts family clearly had a connection to the area around Deopham,
Wicklewood, Hingham and Hackford, going back some and there are many
wills of interest, including:
Quite early records from the area are:
(Pyttes, Pyttys), John, of Depham, St
NCC will register Brosyard 45
Richard, of Morley
1490 ANF will register (liber 1)
1484-1493 fo. 126
(Pyttes), Richard, of Hackford
1546 ANF will register Liber 12 (Hynde)
fo. 45. This
one mentions his son Thomas and his wife Alice. He is a farmer on
copyhold land and he leaves his plowing equipment to Thomas and asks
his wife to help him find seed. One of his witnesses is a George Pitt.
(Pyttes), Thomas, of Hackford Mary
1580-1581 ANF will register Liber 27
115. Son is Edmund who gets the
house in Hackford. Daughter and executrix is Anne Pytts. John is
brother should help Anne. One of the two witnesses is John Pytts the
Thomas, of Wicklewood, Norfolk
1581 NCC administration act book
1579-1581, fo. 64.
- Pitts (Pyttes),
William, of Deopham
1581 ANF will register Liber 27
(Porridge) fo. 135. It
is interesting that he bought land from someone named Adam Loose or
Lose (who had a brother Andrew). He also mentions sons Simonde (not yet
23), George, and Jonas (note yet 21, at one point he seems to call him
James Jonas). He also had a daughter Agnes, wife Alce, daughter
Margarett, daughter Elizabeth (note yet 25), brother Thomas Pytts
(still alive), neve Barthoolmew Pytts.
- Pitts, Thomas, of
1586 NCC will register Jarnigo 203
- Pitts (Pyttes),
Alice, of Wicklewood, widow
1589 ANF will register Liber 30 (Carter)
fo. 89. Names
sons Simonde and George, daughter Agnes Pytte, daughter Elizabeth the
wife of Thomas Fuller (who has 3 children), the late father of her
children William Pytte, Suzanne the wife of her son Jonas Pytte, nephew
- Pyttes, Anne, of
1604-1606 ANF will register Carre fo. 392
- Pyttes, William, of
ANF administration act book 1611-1619 fo. 50
There is also a Norfolk
record MS 15190, 37B7. Letter to Charles Cornwallis at Carrow
from James Pyttes. Concerning affairs at Kilverstone.
"Pyttes v Tompson." Plaintiffs: Nicholas, son and heir of Thomas
Pyttes. Defendants: William Tompson, of Depeham, sawyer, and John Davy,
of Wyndham, draper, feoffees to uses. Subject: Messuage and land in
Deopham (Depeham) and Wicklewood (Wikelled). Date: 1475-1480, or
"Pyttes v Davy." Plaintiffs: Nicholas, son and heir of Thomas, son of
John Pyttes. Defendants: John Davy, feoffee to uses, and William
Tomson. Subject: Messuage in Depeham, in Wicklewood (Wikelled) parish.
Norfolk. Date: 1475-1480, or 1483-1485
The Hunt family, and the
Above we have seen that Ursula Hunt, daughter of John Hunt, doctor of
laws, married Lyonell Pitts.
the wife of John Hunt, was the sister of the improbably named Sir
Julius Caesar, a well-known stateman and judge. His memory, and that of
his family, is preserved to some extent because of the attentions of
his respected 19th century biographer, Edmund
who made it noting the paradox that it "ïs a very remarkable, though
perhaps wholly unnoticed fact, that strict rectitude of conduct is
generally an impediment to lasting fame". Sir Julius Caesar has both a Wikipedia
article and an article in the Oxford
Dictionary of National Biography. (There is also an older
Her parents are therefore easy to identify, at least by name. Her
father was an Italian physician named Cesare Adelmare (or
who had studied at the University in Padua, come to England in 1550,
and became doctor to both Queen Mary and Queen
Elizabeth, as well as one of the originators of England's first "plague
orders" designed to stop the plague. The short
on the website of obituaries of fellows of the Royal College of
Physicians, refers to him as Cæsar a Dalmariis, M.D. Elizabeth's
mother, the English wife of Cesare, was Margery Perient (or
Perin). Concerning Margery, there is a useful entry on the Tudor Women website.
It starts: "There is some debate about Margery's parentage. The History
of Parliament says she is the daughter of George Perient of Shropshire
and Hertfordshire. The old edition of the Dictionary of National
Biography lists her father as Martin Perient, treasurer to the army in
Ireland, but the newer online Oxford DNB doesn't attempt to identify
her father at all. Her surname is variously spelled Perient, Perin, and
Peryn and her Christian name is sometimes listed as Mary or Margaret
rather than Margery." I can add that the 1532 PCC will of George
Perient, gentleman, names wife Annes, daughters Elizabeth and Katheryn,
and son Harry. No Mary or Margery. On the other hand, searching for
treasurers in Ireland there is a very obvious candidate, named Martin Piry
(or Perry). He was sometimes referred to in the years until he died in
1544 as the under-treasurer of the mint, or the tresurer of the mines,
and his job was supplying currency. It appears that after some years as
a trusted advisor to Henry VIII's regime he spent some time in exile in
Rouen after an accusation of debasing coins, where an agent reported
back in 1542 on his whereabouts and asked about whether he should be
considered pardoned or not. He later appears in Ireland, under the
regime of Edward VI.
Dr Cesare was a naturalized Italian, second son to one Peter (Pietro) Maria
(or Peter Maria Dalmatius, or Dalmarius, or à Dalmariis, in various
English language histories). He was a doctor of laws, particularly the
civil laws it seems. He came from Treviso near Venice, and had been a
citizen of Venice. (Some sources, including the royal
college obit but going back to old 18th or 19th century texts, say Trevigno, which is a very different place. This
presumably comes from a misunderstanding of the adjective for someone
from Treviso, which was trevigniano or trevigniana.) His wife Paola Cesarini.
Cesare was their second son. Their eldest son was named Claudius and he
had a younger son named John Baptist, or at least this is how Lodge
names them. (In Italian of course they would have been Claudio and
Going further back, I can mainly only find English sources, which in
cases are clearly over-done. For example, one
about the Royal Hospital and Collegiate Church, where Sir Julius was a
master, says that "Julius Caesar, LL. D. was appointed Master in 1596.
He was son of Caesar Adelmar, Physician to Queen Mary and Queen
Elizabeth lineally descended from Adelmar, Count of Genoa, and Admiral
of France in the year 806, in the reign of Charles the Great. The
mother of this Caesar Adelmar was daughter to the Duke of Cesarini,
from whom he had the name of Caesar, which name Queen Mary I. of
England ordered to be continued to his posterity ; and his father was
Peter Maria Dalmatius, of the city of Trevizio, in ltaly, Doctor of
Laws, sprung from those of his name living at Cividad del Friuli."
Other books from the same period copy each other verbatim, and it seems
that most information available on this subject has been copied from
very few sources. I believe this type of thing needs to be taken with a
grain of salt, talk of Dukes inspires caution, but Carolingian stories
even more. (There apparently
was a Barone Ademaro though, who really was created Conde di
Genova by Charlesmagne.)
though, there is no reason to doubt that Dr Adelmare was not from
a good family. Lodge, a more careful writer, says they were
seated in Treviso and were "in the rank of nobility, according to the
usual meaning of that designation on the continent". I fear that one of
the problems is that the family surname, which Cesare stopped using in
England, might be irretrievably mutilated in many English accounts. Looking at the claim to
ancient ancestry mentioned above, the Italian
tells us that Ademaro is an old name often confused with Audomaro,
Adelmaro and Aldemaro, but these are not normally family names as far
as I can see. Cesare himself seems to have written his name often with
forms such as Dalmarius, implying the Italian would be Dalmario.
Frances Elizabeth Cottrell-Dormer, a descendent, wrote an account
which was reproduced in various 19th century books. While repeating the
story about the count in Genoa, she says that the "most certain account
of the family of Caesar Adelmare is at Rousham. It is a Latin MS.
written by Nicholas Maurus, of Treviso, 1598". Importantly, this note
helps us confirm the original types of spelling of the family name in
Treviso. It also provides us with another slightly more believable
story of the family's origins, involving Florence.
Adelmary, Adelmari, or Adimari, came from Florence, but in the wars of
the Guelphs and Gibelines they, being of the Guelphic party, withdrew,
in the reign of Frederic II., to Treviso, where they were settled about
A.D. 1240, and remained some 300 years. Adelmarius, the son of John, is
the first living there in 1270. From him descended Mark, who died in
1340; a statesman and Ambassador to the Emperor. His son, Nicholas, was
a lawyer, and Ambassador to Louis the Bavarian, and afterwards to the
Republic of Venice, from which he recovered property of Treviso usurped
by Venice. He died 1346. His son, Thadeus, was a great physician and
patriot, and was made first Physician to Pope Nicholas. He left all his
fortune to the Hospital of St. Mary, at Treviso and for the education
of poor youths in theology. The date of his will is 1454. Another
Thadeus was legate from Treviso to the Emperor Maximilian, at Padua.
Peter Maria, son of Bonfrank, grandson of the second Nicholas,
was many years Judge at Treviso, and also Ambassador to the Emperor
Maximilian; he married Paula, daughter and heir of John de Paulo
Cesarino, of the ducal family of Caesar. Their 2nd son, Caesar, having
taken a degree in medicine, came to England, and was appointed
Physician to Mary I., and afterwards to Elizabeth. This Queen having
advised him to marry an Englishwoman, he married Margaret, daughter of
Martin Perrin, Treasurer in Ireland.
Research confirms that Nicolò Mauro was a real writer in the 16th century, who published works
about the Treviso nobility. He would have roughly been a contemporary
of the emigrant Adelmari. That he wrote about the Adelmari of Treviso,
equated them to the spelling Adimari, and considered them related to
the well-known Adimari of Florence, can also be confirmed. Part of Mauro's account including some of the 1454 will is reproduced here.
Pages 56 and 326 show a Nicholas Benedict Adelmare as the brother of
the first Thadeus. Might this be the second Nicholas? (The two of them
were granted notarial rights by emperor Sigismund, including the
right to legitimate bastards.) Page 325 also mentions that the brother
of the first Nicholas was named Augustus. Here
is a webpage showing the monument to Thadeus of 1545. This website (in
German) says the family did not come from Florence but from Cividale
(today on the Slovenian border). The website cites a book Gisella
Beinhoff, Die Italiener am Hof Kaiser Sigismunds. On Google Books
snippets can be seen also showing that the Cesarini are mentioned, and
examination of the book shows that it does mention both that the family
of Thadeus was originally from Cividale, and also that the family had a
long history of practising medicine, which continued until the much
later Cesare in England. The Florentine family is discussed here.
I have not found record of Bonfrank, but there was an unusual Italian
name "Buonfrancesco". In any case it seems clear that this family were
well-known as both doctors and lawyers in Padua, which was a University
specilized in educating these for Venice.
The Italian biography
of Cesare Adelmare, cited by Beinhoff, is also essential reading.
Although not so focused on his ancestry it is one of the sources which
says that he was "nativo di Trevigno, da famiglia di Cividale quivi
emigrata". It quotes state records showing that the Spanish were
writing back home about him, suspecting him of being an agent of the
Pope, or the Duke of Urbino, and even of poisoning the queen. In 1566
he was arrested as a partisan of Margaret Douglas, Countess of Lennox.
He died 1569, and was buried in St Helen's, Bishopsgate. He had bought
a house there in 1559. It is interesting that Cesare replaced Edward
Wooton as "censor" in 1555, because that doctor had spent time in
Padua. So I wonder if he may have been a link that brought the Adelmare
Putting aside the Florentine family then, and
looking at the spelling Delmario, I also find records from the correct
time and region of a "cividale" named Pietro Delmario.  Did he perhaps govern Kotor in Montenegro for the Venetians ?
There are also earlier references (1434) to a man of this name who had
been "rector" in Rethymno, another Venetian fortified port, but in
According to the old version of the Oxford biography, Paola Cesarini
was daughter of Giovanni
(John) Cesarini who was "probably of the same
family as Giuliano
Cesarini, cardinal of St. Angelo,
and president of the council of Basle, 1431–8". If correct, and indeed
this Giuliano apparently studied at Padua, the same University as the
Adelmari, then this family had links
to both the Sforza family and the papacy. Many of them were
trained, just like many of the Adelmari. Giuliano must have known Thadeus
Adelamare in any case, as they worked in the same papal and imperial
circles, but this was several generations before Pietro and Paola. I also find reference to the fact that he was a friend of
Alamanno Adimari, cardinal of Pisa, and his nephew Nicola Adimari,
associated with studying law in Padova. This shows a link between the
Florentine and Padovan Adimari, and specifically one with the name
Nicola. But this Nicola apparently moved to Rimini?
While the old
Oxford biography says Giovanni's middle name (probably indicating his
father's name as per the Italian habits of this time) was Pietro
(Peter), Lodge and Cottrell-Dormer say it was Paulo. I have found an Italian reference,
in a book about the Sforzas, in approximately the right period to a
Giovanni Cesarini, who was an "auditore della camera" and a "celebre
giureconsulto". But he was dead in 1478, so perhaps too early?
The reference works confirm that Cesare's daughter
Elizabeth married a Doctor of Laws known as John Hunt. Their marriage
was granted 12 February 1585/6, at which time he was a resident of St
Bennet, Paul's Wharf. Books about the Adelmare or Caesar family refer
to John Hunt, her huband, being a member of the "Doctors
which must have been in an earlier phase of his career. Switching from
the Doctors Commons to common law was apparently unusual, but his
seems to have followed a similar path, although with more fame and
success, eventually becoming an important politician during the period
of King James I and his struggle for money with parliament. Possibly
Hunt's career benefitted from that of his
I notice C
2/ChasI/A3/11 "Lady Caesar v Pytt" Plaintiff:
Lady Adelmare alias Lady Caesar. Defendant: Pytt and others. I am not
sure if this has any relevance, but it would be in the period 1625 -
1660. I have a copy and this Lady Cesar is Jane, the widow of Sir
Charles. She was suing a George Pitt esquire.
John Hunt's own will was a PCC will made 1630 and refers to him being
of "Burston" which is an old spelling for Briston. It confirms that he
is the John Hunt who married into the
Caesar family. It shows him still granting the manor of Thurning to his
wife. I notice one of his grandchildren had the unusual first name
Cesar, which was common in the Adelmare family, and he also clearly
mentions as supervisors of the will his sister's brother as Master
of the Rolls (that is Sir Julius, although he is not named),
and also Sir
Charles Cesar, knight. (In fact this Charles,
must be Elizabeth's nephew, son of Julius, who would later also be
master of rolls.) His son and heir William Hunt, mentioned in some of
the legal cases, had pre-deceased him, but sons survived. A daughter
named Ann, married to John Tendringe, is debarred from any benefits for
her great ingratitude and disobedience and manifold indignities, but
her two sons are legatees and are to be in their grandmother
Elizabeth's custody and they should study law. Ursula is not mentioned
at all, but a special instruction is given against Elizabeth granting
the manor of Thurning to "person or persons". (Although see above
concerning Elizabeth's 1634 grant, acting as executrix.) Dr Hunt
apparently did not
get on with his two daughters.
It seems likely that this is Elizabeth's will,
because John is occasionally described as being of Briston, and
apparently lived at Briston Hall: Hunt,
Elizabeth, of Briston
1658 ANW, will register, 1653-1660, fo.
464, no. 477.
It is a short will and she says she had already given worldy goods to
children and grandchildren "as it hath seemed best unto me" and
therefore she says "I doe make no mencon thereof onely because there
are divers p~sons wch stand indebted & doe owe unto me divers
of money which debts I cannot by any [act] executed in my lifetime
dispose of". The only legatees she does mention then are the two
Tendring grandchildren, William and John. A later legal
C78/624 (1661-1663 in the 13th-15th years of Charles II), shows that
Ann and her eldest son "John Hunt alias Tendring" did however
eventually receive possession of the manors of Buston Hall or Burston
Hall and Meliors, Norfolk.
The Venn database says of Hunt's
university career that matriculated sizar from Trinity college, October
1566; was a scholar 1570; B.A. 1570/1; M.A. 1574; LL.D.
1581; Fellow 1572; admitted advocate, 26 Jan., 1582/3. His
appears as master of chancery in various cases of historical interest
during the time we now associate with William Shakespere. His origins
before studying are not clear, but Blomefield mentions a Hunt family of
East Barsham who had in earlier generations had dealings with the old
de Briston family of Briston Hall.